Money isn't a big object if Uncle Sugar signs on. Groups like the DSS don't care what a gun costs.
But it's an interesting point. How many MAC-10s can the govt buy for the cost of one KRISS? Ten? Twenty?
Not that the govt cares.
Posted on 10/13/2007 2:06:00 AM PDT by csvset
He’s holding and firing it with one hand! It must be very light. Carbon fiber?
The article says it weighs 5 lbs EMPTY! That sounds like a lot of weight to be one-handing even with the recoil aside
The question is, does it really offer improved control or hit probability over the PDWs from FN and HK, and advanced SMG designs like HK's UMP. It does look sufficiently compact to offer some advantage in concealability for security personnel.
Rifle caliber carbines are the tactical du jour at the moment though, I wonder how much attention this will actually get.
“Sadly, with liberals and their minions in control of the government bureaucracy, life saving innovations that increase the overall effectiveness of such military/police teams will stand a poor chance of making to the field.”
Sadly the life the liberals want saved is the perps; you and I really don’t count.
>>That’s what killed the Thompson in the end, isn’t it?
I believe what killed the Thompson was that it was complex and expensive to manufacture, especially once the M3 grease gun started hitting the inventory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3_submachine_gun
Bob didn’t make it - and he wasn’t smiling...
“NO! Thanks to a Democratic Kongress and a Republican president (Reagan) working in the spirit of bipartisanship to destroy our rights”
The appropriate license isn’t all that hard to get. I was at the range the other day and someone was there firing a suppressed pistol (same type of paperwork). It costs a couple of hundred dollars.
I’m not a big fan of full auto myself. A 6.5 Grendel with collapsing stock and 20” or so barrel works for me...good out to 1200 yds or so. ;-)
You don't know what you're talking about. Supressed pistols are NOT the same. In 1986 ALL newly manufactured full auto weapons were forever banned from ownership by ordinary citizens. You can legally own a full auto weapon - I own more than one, but it MUST have been manufactured prior to 1986. SO NOTHING full auto that is newly manufactured is available to anyone but the police and military (and apparently Blackwater)
Reading my response, it appears that it could be taken as rude. It was not my intention to sound that way, so no offense meant.
That’s what I noticed too. I have to give them a lot of credit for figuring out the firing pin connection.
I’m still waiting for some company to design a revolver like the Mateba that uses a six o’clock position for the barrel.
“Sorry - if the bullet is going away from you, the recoil is 180° away - towards you.
Newton’s third law - it’s not just a suggestion - it’s the law.
This firearm has the center of the barrel in line with the shooters hand - eliminating angular forces from the equation and reducing muzzle rise. The movement of other components may change the perceived recoil but the net result is still opposite the travel of the projectile.”
I always thought that the equal and opposite reaction to the bullet leaving forward, was the bolt moving backwards. Once the bolt stops, its kinetic energy is transferred to the frame, and on to the shooter in the same line of travel. If the bolt doesn’t stop until it’s travelling downward, I would think that the only recoil would be at the point when it’s turning the corner.
Actually, due to unconstitutional laws passed by our "superiors", this gun will have no effect on the firearms world. It might have some impact upon the police and military, though. We peasants can't presently own machine guns newer than 1986 legally under any circumstances.
True, and they could fire up cobray and start producing new one's for about 200 per as opposed to the way out of line price.
Money isn't a big object if Uncle Sugar signs on. Groups like the DSS don't care what a gun costs.
But it's an interesting point. How many MAC-10s can the govt buy for the cost of one KRISS? Ten? Twenty?
Not that the govt cares.
Plus, the .223 shoots flat and accurately out to at least 300 yards. Not that 300 yard shots are common in a patrol situation, but going back to the North Hollywood case, a single .223 in a patrol car could have ended the incident in the first minutes from a range of over 100 yards.
Blackwater! LOL! They could get into trouble with a bunch of weapons like this! (sarcasm)
My grandpa favored the grease gun much more than the thompson because it had a more accuracy when he used them in WW2.
Dad started his Army career as a tanker in the mid-50s, and he loved the grease gun. Went on to be a pilot, but spent some time in M41s.
Yeah, my grandpa was a tank gunner. Seems to be a correlation with tankers liking grease guns. =D
“The article says it weighs 5 lbs EMPTY! That sounds like a lot of weight to be one-handing even with the recoil aside”
Yeah. I’d have trouble holding five pounds steady , especially at arm’s length.
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