[Travis McGee]

The .223 excells in two areas that a shotgun can't touch: armor penetration and range. Look at the North Hollywood BOA shootout: a shotgun (much less police pistols) were useless against perps in body armor armed with AKs. Useless. The cops were as helpless as babes until the SWAT guys arrived with .223s.

Plus, the .223 shoots flat and accurately out to at least 300 yards. Not that 300 yard shots are common in a patrol situation, but going back to the North Hollywood case, a single .223 in a patrol car could have ended the incident in the first minutes from a range of over 100 yards.

[supercat]

The .223 excells in two areas that a shotgun can't touch: armor penetration and range. Look at the North Hollywood BOA shootout: a shotgun (much less police pistols) were useless against perps in body armor armed with AKs. Useless. The cops were as helpless as babes until the SWAT guys arrived with .223s.

If the police had coordinated shots on the crooks, wouldn't that have had some effect? I would think that no matter what type of armor you have, getting clobbered simultaneously by ten shotgun blasts is going to hurt. They may not penetrate the armor, but then again (to borrow someone else's phraseology) neither will a Mack truck.

[FreedomPoster]

>>The cops were as helpless as babes until the SWAT guys arrived with .223s.

Didn’t they buy/borrow some ARs from a local gun dealer?

[Bender2]

Re: Look at the North Hollywood BOA shootout...

What always amazed me was that none of the cops there could shoot accurately enough to make a head shot on those two bozos...

I am not the shot I was 10 or 20 years ago, but I can still put 6 of 8 .45s into the black at 100 yards and that is a smaller target than a human head.