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Teachers 'fear evolution lessons'
BBC ^ | Thursday, 4 October 2007

Posted on 10/05/2007 6:26:08 AM PDT by SubGeniusX

The teaching of evolution is becoming increasingly difficult in UK schools because of the rise of creationism, a leading scientist is warning. Head of science at London's Institute of Education Professor Michael Reiss says some teachers, fearful of entering the debate, avoid the subject totally.

This could leave pupils with gaps in their scientific knowledge, he says.

Prof Reiss says the rise of creationism is partly down to the large increase in Muslim pupils in UK schools.

He said: "The number of Muslim students has grown considerably in the last 10 to 20 years and a higher proportion of Muslim families do not accept evolutionary theory compared with Christian families.

"That's one reason why it's more of an issue in schools."

Prof Reiss estimates that one in 10 people in the UK now believes in literal interpretations of religious creation stories - whether they are based on the Bible or the Koran.

Many more teachers he met at scientific meetings were telling him they encountered more pupils with creationist views, he said.

"The days have long gone when science teachers could ignore creationism when teaching about origins."

Instead, teachers should tackle the issue head-on, whilst trying not to alienate students, he argues in a new book.

'Not equally valid'

"By not dismissing their beliefs, we can ensure that these students learn what evolutionary theory really says - and give everyone the understanding to respect the views of others," he added.

His book; Teaching about Scientific Origins: Taking Account of Creationism, gives science teachers advice on how to deal with the "dilemma".

He supports new government guidelines which say creationism should not be discussed in science classes unless it is raised by pupils.

But Prof Reiss argues that there is an educational value in comparing creationist ideas with scientific theories like Darwin's theory of evolution because they demonstrate how science, unlike religious beliefs, can be tested.

The scientist, who is also a Church of England priest, adds that any teaching should not give the impression that creationism and the theory of evolution are equally valid scientifically.

Dr Hilary Leevers, of the Campaign for Science and Engineering, said science teachers would be teaching evolution not creationism and so should not need a book to tell them how to "delicately handle controversy between a scientific theory and a belief".

"The author suggests that science teachers cannot ignore creationism when teaching origins, but the opposite is true," she said.

Teachers could discuss how creationism differed from scientific theory if a student brought up the subject, but any further discussion should occur in religious education lessons, she said.

A Department for Children, Schools and Families spokesman said it had recently published guidelines to teachers on the issue.

"Creationism and intelligent design are not scientific theories nor testable as scientific fact - and have no place in the science curriculum. "But we advise science teachers that when questions about creationism come up in lessons, it provides an opportunity to explain or explore what makes a scientific theory."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: crevo; crevolist; crevolution; evolution; id; islam; islamicviolence; islamversuseducation; islamversusscience; muslims; muslimviolence; science; waronterror
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To: Southack

Really, falsify it then.


41 posted on 10/05/2007 7:05:02 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Southack
"Evolutionist has ever published specific peer-reviewed falsification criteria for any aspect of Evolution."

What’s the “published specific peer-reviewed falsification criteria” for the theory of gravity?

42 posted on 10/05/2007 7:05:43 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Where there is no bias in a system, there is no ID.

Next...


43 posted on 10/05/2007 7:05:53 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: wastedyears
Call me dumb, but is there a different between Creationism and Intelligent Design?

One of them is honest and up front about the fact that their theory is based in religion, and the other tries to hide it by pretending to be science.

44 posted on 10/05/2007 7:06:51 AM PDT by ericc4
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To: tractorman

Glad I’m not a teen anymore.


45 posted on 10/05/2007 7:07:25 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: ASA Vet

“You’re wasting your time.”

I can’t help it.


46 posted on 10/05/2007 7:07:27 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: elfman2

So you admit that there is no published falsification criteria for Evolution (and wish to change the subject)?!

Gee, perhaps you’ve just touched upon one reason why it’s so tough to teach Evolution in a classroom...


47 posted on 10/05/2007 7:08:06 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Your focus is too narrow on your “groups”.

The biggest supporters of evolution are those that seek to deny the existence of a Creator to whom they will be held accountable for their choices.


48 posted on 10/05/2007 7:08:25 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Southack

There is bias, it is called cognitive thinking, we have it other species doesn’t.


49 posted on 10/05/2007 7:09:33 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: gracesdad

“I’m sure the creationists on FR will be appalled to find they have something in common with fundamentalist Muslims.”

I’m a creationist, and I’m not appalled. Muslims are humans as you are...so you have something in common with them as well....does that appall you?


50 posted on 10/05/2007 7:10:23 AM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Yes, there is bias! Very astute of you.

...but ID is falsified where there is no bias.


51 posted on 10/05/2007 7:12:12 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: scottdeus12

“Muslims are humans as you are..”

Not accordng to quite a few Freepers (I’m not one of them).


52 posted on 10/05/2007 7:12:26 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: ericc4

Understood, thanks


53 posted on 10/05/2007 7:13:17 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: SubGeniusX

Guilt by association?

Seems like they’d like to equate creationism with Muslim theology, so they can discredit creationism.


54 posted on 10/05/2007 7:15:11 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: Southack
"So you admit that there is no published falsification criteria for Evolution (and wish to change the subject)?! Gee, perhaps you’ve just touched upon one reason why it’s so tough to teach Evolution in a classroom..."

So you admit that there's no published falsification criteria for the theory of gravity? (and wish to change the subject) Gee perhaps you've just touched upon one reason why your criteria for something being scientific is nonsense, a desperate and transparent attempt to hold one theory to a higher standard than all others, even though it doesn't contradict Christianity, simply because it also supports an alternative explanations to your own faith based one. That's what insecurity does to people.

55 posted on 10/05/2007 7:18:14 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: Southack
I hope you’re going to answer his question. I’m not a scientist, so I’ve never heard of “peer-reviewed falsification criteria.” Some examples would be really helpful.

Thanks!

56 posted on 10/05/2007 7:20:06 AM PDT by Boxen (If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...Checkmate!)
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To: Tax-chick

“I find it fascinating when political correctness runs into these dilemmas.”

ain’t it a hoot? :D


57 posted on 10/05/2007 7:20:24 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.)
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To: elfman2

Theories that have no falsification criteria aren’t scientific.

This particular thread is about Evolution in the classroom...a theory that has no published falsification criteria.

You seem to want to discuss *other* theories, instead. I understand why you are so reluctant to stick to the topic at hand, but please try.


58 posted on 10/05/2007 7:21:16 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SubGeniusX
It seems to me that a teacher has the responsibility to teach, not just the prevalent view, or required information, but also all other possible, contrary views as well.

The preponderance of evidence wins.

Isn’t that what scientific inquiry is all about?

59 posted on 10/05/2007 7:23:46 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: TonyRo76
some Christians could stand to learn a lot from the Muzzies on this one.

In a word, no. The reason Muslims object is because their culture is diametrically opposed to all forms of scientific inquiry. (Some) Christians object to evolution because they believe the answers are wrong; (most) Muslims object because they believe that it's wrong to ask the questions.

60 posted on 10/05/2007 7:23:53 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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