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Tancredo: Pardon The Agents, Mr. President
The Border Line (an immigration blog) ^ | Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 03:28 PM | By Eunice Moscoso

Posted on 07/03/2007 2:52:26 PM PDT by SittinYonder

n the wake of President Bush’s clemency of former vice presidential chief of staff Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Rep. Tom Tancredo urged the president to “take it a step further” and fully pardon two former Border Patrol agents whose case has galvanized conservatives.

The agents — Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos — were convicted of shooting a suspected drug smuggler and trying to cover up the incident. They are serving 12 and 11 year sentences, respectively.

Supporters say the agents were convicted wrongly for protecting the U.S. border against criminal intruders. Their case has become a cause celeb for conservative talk show hosts and groups that advocate stronger immigration controls.

Tancredo, a GOP presidential hopeful, said that the sentences in the case were “grossly unfair and a result of an overzealous prosecutor.” He also said in a statement that the men were at risk of violent attacks at their current prison cell locations and that their families are suffering. Ramos was beaten by other inmates earlier this year.

“I hope the president will consider providing the same relief to these men and their families that he did yesterday to Mr. Libby,” Tancredo said.

U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton of San Antonio has stood by his prosecution of the agents.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; compean; immigrantlist; ramos; tancredo
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To: DCPatriot
And to best of my recollection, you've never done that to me. ;^)

Well, I just calls 'em as I sees em.

In regards to your story...interesting that you told that one. I have a housecleaning business and charge about $100 for a general clean on a 1,500 sq. foot house. (Of course, that can vary depending upon the cleaning needs.)

No, I would say you were more than fair in your price.

As for breaking laws...dunno...I never said you did, did I?

81 posted on 07/04/2007 9:34:09 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid./LOUD and PROUD!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

Let me see if I have this right -

So Davila was involved in torture deaths in a border city (Juarez) - we had intelligence of that fact and this was withheld from the jury?

While perhaps in a very narrow sense you could say this could be excluded I think this is absolutely relevant to the case. Someone this vile would display a personality that would put me on guard if I were in enforcement. I would certainly want a BP to do everything to keep these people out of our country and it looks like Sutton is doing everything to have these people roam and terrorize the US.


82 posted on 07/04/2007 9:38:39 AM PDT by RushingWater (Pres. Bush honors Mexican sovereignty over our own - Pardon Ramos/Campeon/Hernandez)
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To: truthkeeper
No you didn't say I was breaking any laws. It was a follow-up reference to another poster's insistance that I knowlingly break the law by hiring companies that may employ illegal aliens.

That home she cleaned for me BTW, was vacant and had new carpet, paint and vinyl...so it wasn't back-breaking to get it up to our standards for marketing purposes.

BTW, she worked for four hours on my home...so that was $25 @ hr with tip....hardly exploiting illegal immigrants, IMO.

83 posted on 07/04/2007 10:48:12 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: SittinYonder

Contrary to what Sutton et al. claimed, the foreign smuggler did not have any “4th Amendment rights” that the agents, allegedly, violated.

Read “The Blessings of Liberty”
http://geocities.com/readerswrite/commentaries/Blessings_of_the_Liberty.htm

for a detailed analysis and convinicing argument.


84 posted on 07/04/2007 10:49:06 AM PDT by A Reader Mad As Hell
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To: truthkeeper
Btw, I am of the female warrior gender. :-)

Thanks. I won't forget. And thanks for being the perfect lady in your replies to me.

85 posted on 07/04/2007 10:51:04 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot
And thanks for being the perfect lady in your replies to me.

Thx...I do my best. :-)
BTW, I think you must have meant to say you paid her $50 an hour plus the tip, since she worked 4 hours...right? I wish I could earn that kind of money on a vacant house, but no way here in L.A. We have too many illegals cleaning houses for next to nothing, so competition is pretty stiff. As much as I'd like to give away my services - and housecleaning is very hard work - I cannot do that. I have a family to feed, and there are only five in my house...not thirty!

Get the pic?

86 posted on 07/04/2007 11:30:58 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid./LOUD and PROUD!)
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To: DCPatriot

“Get them on the tax rolls”, eh? You mean give them more welfare in the form of the earned income credit as most of them would not make enough to pay any taxes.


87 posted on 07/04/2007 11:34:26 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
And many will fall into the 28% bracket.

A typcial drywall or floor guy probably earns $40K per annum minimum.

Expect that salaries/services going up in price to recover the tax liability right off the bat.

This, in a flat-lining real estate market. Not good.

88 posted on 07/04/2007 11:52:15 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: truthkeeper
I think a "general clean" isn't what we needed.

Isn't general clean...a bi-weekly visit by Mighty Maids? I mean...they don't get down on the hands and knees and scrub baseboards and door and window frames...wash screens/window glass...ceiling fan blades.

It always takes 4 girls about 4 hours to complete the job. So $250 seems right.

They supply the materials. Remember, the places are vacant (easier to clean)

89 posted on 07/04/2007 12:01:03 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: truthkeeper
No...she worked 4 hours on my home at $80. plus $20 tip.

She took a day and a half to do the $250 job. I couldn't help but hope that she got a helper and paid that helper the $80 she would have accepted. But that's thinking like a businessman. ;^)

90 posted on 07/04/2007 12:03:55 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: SittinYonder

Bump for Tancredo on this one !!!!!!!


91 posted on 07/04/2007 12:04:40 PM PDT by Maeve (Do you have supplies for an extended emergency? Be prepared! Pray!)
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To: cripplecreek

AMEN!!! Hang tough Tom.


92 posted on 07/04/2007 12:14:49 PM PDT by no dems (The only way to stop the Fairness Doctrine: Elect a President in '08 who would veto it.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Are we sure Jorge didn’t have a hand in getting them behind bars?

Sure he did, but not directly.

Jorge wants illegals to be able to cross the border, that's his policy. Sutton is a Bush favorite and knows this. Ramos and Compean were obstacles to easy border crossing for illegals. Sutton knew that there would be no negative consequences from Bush if he took an opportunity to remove Ramos and Compean and send a message to other BP agents on aggressive border enforcement as opposed to donut eating.

93 posted on 07/04/2007 12:15:30 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Zimbabwe, leftist success story, the envy of Venezuela)
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To: DCPatriot
Gotcha. Mixing apples and oranges; I've done the cleans you speak of on vacants and repos. A different kind of cleaning entirely.

BTW, on MY general cleans I do get on my hands and knees and scrub the floors and baseboards, bleach out showers, and clean ceiling fan blades.
But I don't do windows...that is definitely extra!

94 posted on 07/04/2007 12:43:56 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid./LOUD and PROUD!)
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To: wtc911; DCPatriot

DCPatriot doesn’t knowingly hire illegal aliens (wink,wink).


95 posted on 07/04/2007 1:10:41 PM PDT by NapkinUser ("The House will pass S1348 and the president will sign it into law. It's a done deal." -B. Chezwick)
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To: NapkinUser

You mean like the Maryland State government doesn’t knowingly teach illegal aliens (wink wink)


96 posted on 07/04/2007 1:16:07 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: RushingWater
So Davila was involved in torture deaths in a border city (Juarez) - we had intelligence of that fact and this was withheld from the jury?

That's the impression I get from the investigative reports I linked. Not only that - the jurors were not informed that Ramos was (until this incident) a poster boy for the Border Patrol...literally.

I want to know why Homeland Security agent Sanchez acted as protector/defender for such a vile non-citizen and why he's not called to account for that. It appears that this agent has rights and privileges that regular citizens and most law enforcement personnel do not enjoy.

97 posted on 07/04/2007 3:24:58 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: DCPatriot; truthkeeper
I told her I would give her what I normally pay...two hundred fifty dollars to clean every square inch of a 3 level home...about 1800 sq. ft. Her eyes welled up with tears. What a country, huh? Now...just what law did I break?

_______________________________________________

Um, you hired an illegal for starters.

98 posted on 07/05/2007 8:01:50 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: DCPatriot; truthkeeper
Immigration Issue Centers : Illegal Immigration The Law Against Hiring or Harboring Illegal Aliens Printer-Friendly Version Send this article to a friend!

The following is an overview of federal law on hiring and harboring illegal aliens. It is not a substitute for professional legal counsel in specific situations. Summary

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization or local government) commits a federal felony when he:

* assists an alien whom he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him to obtain employment,

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S., by referring him to an employer, by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime.

Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States.1 It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work.2 Employers may give preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or better qualified.

3 It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements.

4 Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with 3 days advance notice, they must be made available for inspection.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts.

Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer, that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer’s work force.11 Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual’s accent or foreign appearance. Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien workforce of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

So, yeah, DCProfiteer, you apparantly are a law breaker to run your business and make a buck.

99 posted on 07/05/2007 8:11:51 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: SittinYonder

Based on the evidence I’ve seen these men are heroes not deserving of the railroaded treatment they’ve gotten. It’s time they were pardoned and now.


100 posted on 07/05/2007 8:27:54 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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