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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: presently no screen name

“You are truly a juvenile . What ‘principle’ do you stand on?”

I stand on my conservative and limited government principles. However, unlike many of the rudy boosters here, I do not have the kind of stick up my butt that prevents me from having a sense of humor.

That’s the worst thing about rudybots, and how you can tell they’re on the losing side- almost no humor at all. Meanwhile the people fighting for conservative principles are usually having fun doing it.

I guess having to constantly redefine and categorize “conservative” to fit a lifelong northeastern liberal can wear down any sense of humor they might once have had.


2,301 posted on 04/22/2007 11:29:30 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I want a candidate who says exactly that!


2,302 posted on 04/22/2007 11:29:51 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: scratcher; presently no screen name
Make this fight lil more fairer for you: two Rudy people against a strong Conservative.

Fact is :

Clinton cheated on his wife. So did Rudy.

2,303 posted on 04/22/2007 11:30:06 AM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: TommyDale; ohioWfan
Actually, it may be my fault. /sarcasm for those who cannot understand that.

Oh, TommyDale, dont take the guilt all upon yourself. Spread it around. Who else is willing to stand up and be responsible?

Never mind, it couldn't be that the 2006 losses were due to a poor Republican campaign, and low voter turnout, it couldn't be that voters were turned off by the RINO wing for having no character, it couldn't be that the RATs outsmarted us, and are in it for a 2008 replay of 2006.

Take heart and shed the guilt.

It really is very selfish of you to hog the blame. /s

2,304 posted on 04/22/2007 11:30:15 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: Luke21
A few months back, this forum was being taken over by them.

I agree. I actually changed my FR screen name because I could not believe the things I was reading on FR, a conservative forum.

2,305 posted on 04/22/2007 11:31:23 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Luke21
Rudy Giuliani has done us all a service because he has brought the contempt for social and religious conservatives out into the open.

Add to that contempt for the 2nd amendment and national sovereignty and the constitution in general.

2,306 posted on 04/22/2007 11:31:29 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: flashbunny

Placemark. Got to run some afternoon errands.

Picking up some plastic flowers for Peach AND FairOpinion.

Heh. LOL

Back later folks!

:)


2,307 posted on 04/22/2007 11:31:31 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: ohioWfan

We can thank Bush for Scalia and Roberts but he doesn’t have the strong ideological bent that Reagan did (neither does Thompson IMO). Reagan was a philosophical conservative across the board. Bush is conservative on some issues.

Now of course, we can go round and round about ideology and practice. Reagan wasn’t able to implement his full agenda on cutting the size of government because his hands were tied by a Democrat Congress.

President Bush had a majority in both houses and neither he nor Congress were interested in cutting the size of government. They expanded it at a level not seen since LBJ.

Of course, Bush never claimed to be for limiting the size of government. He triangulated himself as a new Republican to capture the so-called middle back from the Clintonistas. He was to be a “compassionate conservative” which is another way of saying a “big government conservative” in the words of neo-con Fred Barnes and other admirers.

He was/is right on the social issues which I thank God for but we are losing ground on so many other fronts.


2,308 posted on 04/22/2007 11:31:43 AM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: flashbunny

That is pretty good Bunny!!


2,309 posted on 04/22/2007 11:31:46 AM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: tiredoflaundry

2,310 posted on 04/22/2007 11:31:47 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: Enosh

;0)


2,311 posted on 04/22/2007 11:32:27 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (The greatest danger to our troops is the Congress of the United States.)
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To: StoneColdTaxHater

And what to you say to the socialists who want to police every one of your actions, thoughts, statements, and beliefs about race, gender, and sexual minorities? The “thought police” are your real enemies, not us.

I could care less what you do or believe, but I’m tired of being accused of trying to set up some Christian dictatorship. People of faith, most of them, would carry you on their backs. You have created a “straw man,” and a very dangerous one. You are shooting at rabbits out your front window while the ravenous wolves are right behind you.

I don’t know what libertine values you practice or want to promote, but if you are tired of transfers of wealth to parasites, assaults on your freedoms, a top down system of intrusive government, and a lack of societal common sense, we are your friends.


2,312 posted on 04/22/2007 11:32:31 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: GSlob

What a marvelously well-read ghoul you are. We’re all very impressed.


2,313 posted on 04/22/2007 11:33:15 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (NRA Life Member)
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To: mkjessup

See ya’ later. Maybe I’ll FReepmail you some new polls.

Heh. LOL!!

;)


2,314 posted on 04/22/2007 11:33:21 AM PDT by veronica
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To: streetpreacher

Just FYI (and it doesn’t take away from your overall post, but thought I’d point it out), Bush appointed Alito and Roberts, not Scalia and Roberts.


2,315 posted on 04/22/2007 11:33:22 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: Dog Gone; Reagan Man
The fact is, that if the record is presented accurately, Reagan made some major mistakes.

It is completely fair to compare our two conservative leaders, and George W. Bush INDEED compares favorably with Ronald Reagan.

And it is accurate to state that most conservatives (myself excepted) were bashing Reagan with a vengeance in his second term, just as Reagan Man bashes Bush now.

The true legacy of Bush will not be known for some time, but the PBA ban will stand as a shining example of what his consistent non-bending pro-life stance has wrought, and what he has done to protect us from Islamo-fascist attacks can never be taken away from him, no matter how hard his accusers try.

2,316 posted on 04/22/2007 11:34:27 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops. NOW more than ever!!.)
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To: Billthedrill

And it turns out that claiming their candidate’s strength on national security while ignoring the fact that two of these issues, gun control and illegal immigration, are intimately associated with national security, is going to be a very difficult rock for Rudy’s people - I assume you are one of them - to try to move out of the road.
***Good luck on getting a response to that item. But it was a well stated post.


2,317 posted on 04/22/2007 11:34:43 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Reagan Man
May God Bless Ron Reagan.

I wonder if could get Michael Reagan to run?

2,318 posted on 04/22/2007 11:34:58 AM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Jim Robertson; Howlin
....PhiKapMom “...

Killing off the intellectuals? Sweet stuff. Stalin, Castro, Chavez would approve.

2,319 posted on 04/22/2007 11:36:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GSlob
I thank God, you, Aristotle and Darwin weren’t around when my little girl was born.
2,320 posted on 04/22/2007 11:36:04 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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