Foxnews Poll: Giuliani Leads McCain 56% - 31%

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021507_release_web.pdf ^

[MittFan08]

Rudy Building Lead Over McCain... [Rich Lowry]

...according to the new Fox News Poll. Asked who would they support in a Republican primary if the choices were McCain or Giuliani, 56% of Republicans said Giuliani, and 31% said McCain. 50% of Independents said Giuliani, and 27% said McCain. This represents a big bump for Giuliani since early December. Then, 42% of Republicans said they would pick Giuliani, 40% McCain, and 35% of Independents said they would support Giuliani while 41% said they would go with McCain.

02/15 05:34 PM

[baubau]

"Does our party really suck this much?

I don't think so.

Me thinks Republicans still don't get it that immigration and cultural dilution is still the number one critical issue that will decide whether this country will survive or be relegated to the dustbin of history.

Don't laugh! It is people that make up the country, not lamposts and trees.

The worth of a nation is the worth of its people.

[stephenjohnbanker]

If you recall, Reagan was labeled as "the right wing nut" by the msm
early in his landslide win over Carter..........

[Jim Robinson]

What parts of abortion rights, gay rights, gun control, etc, seem like conservative positions to you?

[baubau]

"I have to take Newt on his word but I wonder if he's not declaring because he wants to see about his chances vs Giuliani.

Mark my words, Bunny. Newt will eventually give is total support to Rudy come early Spring, 2007.

I could never vote for Gingrich. He's another neocon.

[Peach]

What part of those things were in the supposedly conservative Contract with America?

[oceanview]

because the margin of victory is too close.

do you honestly think that if Bush had won 45 state victories in 2000 and 2004, that there would be much debate on FR over "can conservative candidate X win the general election". there wouldn't be.

but the voter demographics and mood of the electorate are sending us a different message. a viable, well known, conservative standard bearer with a message and the ability to deliver it has not emerged, and should have already. we cannot afford to lose to Hillary. I'll repeat again - WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE TO HILLARY.

so all this stuff being tossed around on FR about "you are not a conservative if you support Rudy". I'm willing to give that up, if it means the Clintons don't get to sit in the white house again.

[Peach]

I can always tell who isn't actually reading any of the links I've posted about Rudy.

Some very smart, conservative reporters have made the case that Rudy is fiscally conservative and that he's conservative in other areas as well.

And this crap thrown around that we who like Rudy aren't conservative is just so much hyperbole that the place is literally drowning in it.

Some guy actually posted to me today that he was going to write a check to Hillary and would post a copy of it here instead of ever voting for Rudy. Now that's conservative. /sarcasm

[onyx]

Contract with America

1994

 

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As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.

That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.

This year's election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.

Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.

On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:

FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;

SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;

THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;

FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;

FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;

SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;

SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;

EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.

1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT

A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out-of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses.

2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT

An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in-sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools.

3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT

Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility.

4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT

Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society.

5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT

A $500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief.

6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT

No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world.

7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT

Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years.

8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT

Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages.

9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT

"Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation.

10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT

A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators.

Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.

Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.

[Jim Robinson]

"What part of those things were in the supposedly conservative Contract with America?"

Huh? What does that have to do with anything?

Are you trying to say that if opposition to abortion rights, gay rights and gun control were not listed in the contract with America they're not conservative positions?

Are you actually trying to push the idea that a man who believes in abortion, partial birth abortion, gay unions, gun control, etc, is really a conservative after all? And that those of is who oppose these positions are in the wrong?

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

I'm not laughing. I've read "America Alone". Steyn makes that exact point brilliantly.

Abortion is one of the main sources of the cultural dilution. Between the 45 million aborted Americans and and the 47 million who never were because their parents were killed in the womb, we're importing our only real population growth. Putting aside the moral issue of it, abortion-on-demand is an act of demographic suicide. If it continues unabated, America will cease to be America in a relatively short amount of time.

[TAdams8591]

What makes a weird Liberal guy like Guilianni someone who can beat Hillary? If he's the nominee I predict he won't.

Mitt Romney is sharp, viable and is running on a conservative platform. Furthermore, he doesn't have Guilianni's strange personal baggage. He's a normal guy, a good husband and has a beautiful family. And he can well articulate a conservative message.

[PhiKapMom]

I agree with your analysis 100% and that is what is showing in some of the background of some polls.

[oceanview]

I'm not blind to the issues some conservatives are concerned about Rudy over, although I agree with you they are overstated, and many have to be looked at in the context of what it takes to be a mayor in a city that is 9:1 Dem - but we can deal with that if we are part of the winning coalition. that's politics.

the alternative is defeat, then our fate is sealed on these same issues. Hillary as POTUS for example, and the abortion debate in this country is over, forever. You'll have justices supporting Roe until 2040, and after 60+ years of stare decisis on that issue - you can forget about ever changing it. I'd rather take my chances trying to influence a constitutionalist SCOTUS pick by Rudy, then sure defeat by one of Hillary's.

[TAdams8591]

"so all this stuff being tossed around on FR about "you are not a conservative if you support Rudy".

Actually, I don't believe the above statement is generally true (though it may apply to some), and thus I don't make that argument. Btw, in my opinion the best explanation for conservative support of Guilianni is they are running scared. When people are running scared, it hampers their ability to make good decisions.

[oceanview]

OK fine, he's running. let him get into the debates as part of these primaries and show his stuff.

[Peach]

#1. If those issues were so darned important to Republicans, like the number one issues I see being discussed here, why weren't they in the Contract for America? It's a perfectly reasonable question for which no one has an answer.

So I'll give an answer. Because there was a day (like back in the early 90's when the contract was developed) when Republicans considered other issues besides social issues as more important. Things like the viability of the nation fiscally and militarily.

#2. Are you trying to say that if opposition to abortion rights, gay rights and gun control were not listed in the contract with America they're not conservative positions?

You're not serious asking that question, are you? You're just trying to push my buttons. I never suggested such a thing and you know it.

#3.Are you actually trying to push the idea that a man who believes in abortion, partial birth abortion, gay unions, gun control, etc, is really a conservative after all?

I've never said that Rudy was socially conservative. Are you trying to push the idea that there is only one kind of conservative? You are aware, I presume, that there are fiscal conservatives and law and order conservatives, etc., etc.

And now I can really see that you haven't read any of the links on this thread about Rudy because conservative reporters like Bob Tyrell, whose conservative credentials go back further than pretty much anyone else alive, makes the case convincingly that Rudy is conservative. Just not your kind of conservative.

FrontPage magazine conservative reporters make the case. Mona Charen makes the case. 98% lifetime conservative voting record Rep. Sessions makes the case. A host of individuals make the case for Rudy and using conservative - fiscal, law and order conservatism, to make the case.

#4. And that those of is who oppose these positions are in the wrong?

And how has I pushed the idea that those of you who seem to think socially conservative ideas are most important are wrong about anything? LOL. We disagree about what's most important. Period. Don't make it into more than it is.

[Xenophon450]

Your words strike with such truth, god bless you.

[Peach]

Thanks for posting that onyx.

As can see that I recalled correctly; the Contract with America does not state anything about abortion, reducing abortions, getting better judges so abortion would be overturned. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

But Newt found the time to mention welfare reform, the military, reforms for Congress, etc.

Nothing about gun control either.

[Jhensy]

Folks, we've got to win this election next year. Rudy isn't perfect, but until you can show me some convincing electoral math for any other GOP candidate, please lay off him. I don't like seeing him getting trashed here and hurting our chances.

Rudy gets a ton of crossover votes -- and men will vote in huge numbers for him if it's against Hillary. And Rudy will get more of the womens' vote than any other GOPer as well. We have to keep the executive branch -- things are that dire -- and I don't want to hear anything else, sorry.

If Rudy has the best chance, then so be it. If he does falter down the road, so be it as well, I'll support whomever else assumes the mantle. We have to win, stop killing him.

[steve86]

Your words strike with such truth, god bless you.

Yes, they do. Still can't believe the chutzpah of the FReepers who use this forum as Election Central for the opposing POV and candidate.