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Prosecutor: Undercover cop begged for his life
CNN.com ^ | 12/19/06

Posted on 12/19/2006 10:13:58 AM PST by KeyLargo

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To: caver

actually he isn't


21 posted on 12/19/2006 10:34:53 AM PST by Homer1
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To: KeyLargo

This genetic throwback sort of puts the lie to all people "are created equal" doesn't it?

Semper Fi


22 posted on 12/19/2006 10:34:55 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Do you read the english language?


23 posted on 12/19/2006 10:36:32 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: vetvetdoug
Isn't it ironic that these cops were in a sting operation in an area of strict gun control.

A weapons buying sting. The Founders are rolling in their graves.

24 posted on 12/19/2006 10:36:44 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: caver

He couldn't have been more wrong and that's why his comment was removed.


25 posted on 12/19/2006 10:36:52 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Dead Corpse

Amen to that, these fools need to be executed for murder.


26 posted on 12/19/2006 10:41:44 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: jazusamo

I am 100% right, undercover stings put our LEO's in unnecessary danger and encourage criminal behaviour. These guys would be alive loving thier families and protecting the folks if these policies weren't enforced.
Comment removed, ignorance noted.


27 posted on 12/19/2006 10:46:16 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Homer1

OK, I'm stupid. How was he wrong?

I didn't say they deserved it. He said what happened was the consequence of setting up a sting. He didn't say any more.


28 posted on 12/19/2006 10:47:54 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: TheKidster

Take it up with the Mods, if you're around long enough.


29 posted on 12/19/2006 10:47:58 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: caver

I guess posts without profanity, personal attacks, racism condemning violence are also censored if it doesn't support the dangerous (obvious by the outcome of this particular operation) policy the top brass enforce i.e. undercover stings. Creating an opportunity for criminal activity in order to prevent criminal activity.
Oh well.


30 posted on 12/19/2006 10:49:53 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: samtheman
There's no way they can spin a racist angle out of this one.

you're joking right? i wouldn't be surprized to hear someone speak out about "oreos" and "acting white."
31 posted on 12/19/2006 10:51:55 AM PST by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
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To: jazusamo

Maybe I will be around maybe I won't. I still stand by what I said. The criminals who murdered the under cover detectives should get capitol punishment.
Undercover stings are bad policy. Creating crime to prevent crime, playing the part of a criminal, and dealing with violent criminals by doing what they do leads to more crime, a loss of civil liberties and violent ends to the careers of good cops.
If that's too offensive for people to read, I'm sorry. Some of the quasi racist comments on this thread are offensive too but I'm not going to tattle tale. I can handle being offended, it's part of life.


32 posted on 12/19/2006 10:56:47 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: TheKidster
Do you read the english language?

Yes, I read and understand the English language well. Mind you, it is much easier for me to read and understand something that has been articulated well.

You obviously feel that I misinterpreted something about your post. To me it seemed that you were blaming the cops for getting killed and you minimized the responsibility of the accused killer.

What part of your post did I misunderstand?

33 posted on 12/19/2006 10:57:41 AM PST by ExpatCanuck
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To: KeyLargo

They'll be sentenced to 25 years to life. Which in New York means they'll have their first parole hearing in 8 years. And if not granted parole the first time, will be granted the second or third time.


34 posted on 12/19/2006 11:03:14 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: TheKidster

I agree with your statement about capitol punishment but not much else. Stings are a valid part of law enforcement and this murderer was no choir boy. I don't get your meaning on the tattle tale bit so I won't comment.


35 posted on 12/19/2006 11:08:42 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: ExpatCanuck

The entire post, unfortunately.

It was not the fault of the cops that died. It was, in part, the fault of the policy of undercover sting operations. These good men were put in an unnecessary and dangerous situation by the top brass. They were just doing thier jobs, of course. The murderers are at fault for killing them.
The reason this situation existed at all is a result of dangerous and unnecessary policy i.e. undercover sting operations. Law enforcement should enforce the law and not break the law. Creating crime to prevent crime results in an increase in crime, LEO's walking a dangerous tightrope, violence and death to many of the officers ordered into these situations and a continual degredation of Liberty.
In short it's cheating and in all situations when you cheat you eventually lose. The bigger the stakes the bigger the loss. In this case the stakes were very high and these unfortunate men had to pay that price. I detest it, and I wish these good cops were still alive to protect and serve.

I hope this was more clear for you and a better articulation. In my censored post I was using generalities aimed at the entire nationwide practice using the obvious failure of stings in this particular tragedy as a springboard into a more general discussion of the failures of undercover stings as a form of law enforcement.


36 posted on 12/19/2006 11:10:00 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Long Island Pete
Sorry but here in NY we did away with the death penalty because its harsh punishment. Anyone see Al Sharpton at that trial?

This is a federal trial, thank goodness.

37 posted on 12/19/2006 11:13:21 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: KeyLargo
Prosecutors around the country are beginning to use rap lyrics as evidence of criminal acts, intent or mindset.

It's about time.

38 posted on 12/19/2006 11:14:08 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: jazusamo

I assume Kidster is a liberterian and probably believes that that most criminal laws should be abolished, however his insensitive post implying that the police officers caused their own deaths at the hands of a murderer by merely doing their law enforcement job was totally out of bounds.


39 posted on 12/19/2006 11:14:55 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: dfwgator

They can't execute this guy fast enough.

**
I disagree; I vote for agonizingly slow.


40 posted on 12/19/2006 11:17:17 AM PST by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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