Posted on 12/19/2006 10:13:58 AM PST by KeyLargo
Irrelevant. I've read the constitution, that's all the background someone in this country needs to see that this is "cheating" and I've read about the results of stings, no knock warrents, property confiscation and other unconstitutional LE practices that infringe upon our GOD given rights.
The old, only LEO's have the background to understand these complicated things is as irrelevant an argument as the old, only people who served in the military are qualified to comment on the war in Iraq argument.
If they tie him to an ant hill, cover him with honey and let the ants do the rest I bet he'll live longer than 34 minutes.
Yo hayer look so cooooo!
That's the way they ran their so-called "sting" down here in VA. A NYC cop pretends to be somebody else and then attempts to buy a gun.
So, why not do the same thing in NYC?!
The shooting part seems a little strange since the undercover NYC cop would, of course, know that he, himself was a cop, and you presume those guys don't do such things, but who knows.
Bloomburg better get his act together on this "gun sting" thing pretty soon or no one is going to trust NYC cops.
Odds are good this guy will kill at least 1 more person while in prison, and maybe 2 or 3.
No doubt the existing prison population will feel their civil rights are being violated by putting scum like this in the same place with them.
So you've "read" about all of these infringements, but never actually experienced one, huh? I'm sure your sources are above reproach without any bias whatsoever.
With your indepth knowledge of the Constitution, could you please tell us how you'd conduct effective law enforcement without sting operations? And could you please enlighten us on the GOD given rights these officers violated?
Of course you're right. Where there's a Liberal Will, there's a Racist Way.
No, go read the constitution and if you can't figure it out after that then it's a lost cause and you should consider a move to a place with a more congruent view of law enforcement like Iran or China or Somalia or Cuba. A badge and a gun doesn't instantly confer unquestionable righteousness. It confers overwhelming force.
I have a question for you though, how does creating an opportunity for crime and participating in crime reduce crime?
I think you got it wrong. The way I understnd the story is that the scumbag who killed the cops was not a cop. The two brave officers who died needlessly were posing as scumbags in order to entrap them and it went south.
Hmmm, if I don't read the Constitution in the same way you do, I should get out? You ARE enlightened, aren't you?
To answer your question, sometimes extraordinary measures are required to conduct effective law enforcement. I doubt that you'll agree, but in this country our law enforcement officers are required to go above and beyond to protect the rights of people who would very willingly deprive them of their GOD GIVEN RIGHT to life. The law is on the side of those who break it.
sometimes extraordinary measures are required to conduct effective law enforcement.
No you're right, that's probably what Pol Pot was thinking too.
doubt that you'll agree, but in this country our law enforcement officers are required to go above and beyond to protect the rights of people who would very willingly deprive them of their GOD GIVEN RIGHT to life.
I do agree and that's why I'm proud to be an American but I'm not willing to trade your liberty to make my life seem a bit more secure. That's where we begin to differ.
Since they had good knowledge he was going to procur guns, they set up the sting.
Would you rather have it like that movie Star Chamber, where retired and active law enforcement meet in secret to vote on target assassinations of perps who beat the system on technicalities?
Usually, sting operations are conducted to reach the highest echelons of the criminal ring...aren't they?
I do agree that had the sting not been conducted these guys would be alive. I also think they should have had backup security at an arm's length if they thought it would be that dangerous.
If the perp had gotten away already with selling guns that were ultimately used in crimes...doing the sting would reduce future crime.
Was it worth the cost in this case?
I hate to have to be the one to inform you, but absolute freedom and liberty and absolute safety and security are mutually exclusive.
What if the undercover operatives in the police bureau were contacted say....by an estranged girlfriend/wife who told them that this guy was dealing in weapons purchases and she was sick and tired of reading and viewing reports about young kids being shot and killed on the street
They investigate the crimes committed, use her testimony to find more evidence and seek a conviction in court after arresting the suspects on suspicion of the crime.
I find the title of this article a blatant lack of respect for the undercover officer and his work. The title is totally repulsive. Who wouldn't beg for their life? Obviously, negative titles draw readers or someone needs to hone their manners.
Thanks, you're very kind to share this insight with me, but it's an obvious and glaring fact any half intelligent person able to observe human nature should know by the age of 12.
The obvious paradox you seem to just have figured out is why we allow government some limited power by trading a bit of our liberty in exchange for some protection against people and groups that would be able to over power us while personally assuming the bulk of the responsibility to protect ourselves and property.
Government is a necessary evil a society must live with if it is to rise above primitive tribalism. It is also our personal responsiblity to make sure we keep government at bay because it's very nature ensures it will continually attempt to obtain more power, more control and infringe upon personal liberty. Our founders realized this clearly, clearly explained it in our founding documents, and warned us to remain eternally vigilant in resisting this dark nature of government. Government will not and cannot by its nature return liberties once they have been surrendered.
Patriots of even minimal intelligence and reasoning ability maintain a healthy distrust of government.
Shortsighted fools willingly reliquish personal liberty without question in the hope of security and find that thier hope for security becomes a source of tyranny.
Public servants no longer interested in serving the people and seduced by consolidation of power seek personal gain through the threat of force and deceive the weak minded/irresponsible with the empty theat of security they can't deliver.
Your attitude illustrates this dark nature of government very clearly.
It took man thousands of years to create a nation of freedom and liberty and a system to ensure this. People like yourself have gone a long way to obliterating this greatest accomplishment of humans in just a couple of hundred years, but i bet you'll skip most of what i've written looking for some semantics or obscure points with which to disagree so that you won't lose face.
Leni
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