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Prosecutor: Undercover cop begged for his life
CNN.com ^ | 12/19/06

Posted on 12/19/2006 10:13:58 AM PST by KeyLargo

Prosecutor: Undercover cop begged for his life

NEW YORK (AP) -- An undercover detective, after seeing his partner executed, begged for mercy before being killed himself in a weapons-buying sting gone awry, a prosecutor said Monday in closing arguments at the alleged gunman's death penalty trial.

"Pleading for his life, begging to live, knowing he would never see his family again, knowing that this was the end -- that, ladies and gentlemen, is how James Nemorin spent his last moments on this earth," prosecutor Morris Fodeman told jurors in federal court in Brooklyn.

Ronell Wilson, 24, is charged with killing detectives Nemorin, 36, and Rodney Andrews, 34, in Staten Island in March 2003. They were shot in the head and dumped on a street by a "ruthless murderer," Fodeman said.

"Why would he execute two men in cold blood?" he said. "Because he could. ... Because he wanted to impress his criminal friends."............

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; barbarian; brute; crime; fryhim; humangarbage; newyork; police; takeoutthetrash; thug; wasteofcarbon
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To: Jackson57

Irrelevant. I've read the constitution, that's all the background someone in this country needs to see that this is "cheating" and I've read about the results of stings, no knock warrents, property confiscation and other unconstitutional LE practices that infringe upon our GOD given rights.
The old, only LEO's have the background to understand these complicated things is as irrelevant an argument as the old, only people who served in the military are qualified to comment on the war in Iraq argument.


61 posted on 12/19/2006 12:20:33 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: trimom

If they tie him to an ant hill, cover him with honey and let the ants do the rest I bet he'll live longer than 34 minutes.


62 posted on 12/19/2006 12:23:23 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: avacado
Ooooooooooooo, Ronnel!

Yo hayer look so cooooo!

63 posted on 12/19/2006 12:30:36 PM PST by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: KeyLargo
What I'd like to know is if the guy doing the shooting was also a New York City undercover cop.

That's the way they ran their so-called "sting" down here in VA. A NYC cop pretends to be somebody else and then attempts to buy a gun.

So, why not do the same thing in NYC?!

The shooting part seems a little strange since the undercover NYC cop would, of course, know that he, himself was a cop, and you presume those guys don't do such things, but who knows.

Bloomburg better get his act together on this "gun sting" thing pretty soon or no one is going to trust NYC cops.

64 posted on 12/19/2006 2:42:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: lowbridge
1 guy. This is a case where 1 guy killed 2 guys.

Odds are good this guy will kill at least 1 more person while in prison, and maybe 2 or 3.

No doubt the existing prison population will feel their civil rights are being violated by putting scum like this in the same place with them.

65 posted on 12/19/2006 2:47:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TheKidster

So you've "read" about all of these infringements, but never actually experienced one, huh? I'm sure your sources are above reproach without any bias whatsoever.

With your indepth knowledge of the Constitution, could you please tell us how you'd conduct effective law enforcement without sting operations? And could you please enlighten us on the GOD given rights these officers violated?


66 posted on 12/19/2006 3:17:04 PM PST by Jackson57
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To: absolootezer0

Of course you're right. Where there's a Liberal Will, there's a Racist Way.


67 posted on 12/19/2006 3:19:43 PM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: Jackson57

No, go read the constitution and if you can't figure it out after that then it's a lost cause and you should consider a move to a place with a more congruent view of law enforcement like Iran or China or Somalia or Cuba. A badge and a gun doesn't instantly confer unquestionable righteousness. It confers overwhelming force.

I have a question for you though, how does creating an opportunity for crime and participating in crime reduce crime?


68 posted on 12/19/2006 3:34:12 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: muawiyah

I think you got it wrong. The way I understnd the story is that the scumbag who killed the cops was not a cop. The two brave officers who died needlessly were posing as scumbags in order to entrap them and it went south.


69 posted on 12/19/2006 3:48:19 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: TheKidster

Hmmm, if I don't read the Constitution in the same way you do, I should get out? You ARE enlightened, aren't you?

To answer your question, sometimes extraordinary measures are required to conduct effective law enforcement. I doubt that you'll agree, but in this country our law enforcement officers are required to go above and beyond to protect the rights of people who would very willingly deprive them of their GOD GIVEN RIGHT to life. The law is on the side of those who break it.


70 posted on 12/19/2006 3:48:55 PM PST by Jackson57
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To: Jackson57

sometimes extraordinary measures are required to conduct effective law enforcement.

No you're right, that's probably what Pol Pot was thinking too.


71 posted on 12/19/2006 4:00:59 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Jackson57

doubt that you'll agree, but in this country our law enforcement officers are required to go above and beyond to protect the rights of people who would very willingly deprive them of their GOD GIVEN RIGHT to life.

I do agree and that's why I'm proud to be an American but I'm not willing to trade your liberty to make my life seem a bit more secure. That's where we begin to differ.


72 posted on 12/19/2006 4:11:02 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: TheKidster
What if the undercover operatives in the police bureau were contacted say....by an estranged girlfriend/wife who told them that this guy was dealing in weapons purchases and she was sick and tired of reading and viewing reports about young kids being shot and killed on the street?

Since they had good knowledge he was going to procur guns, they set up the sting.

Would you rather have it like that movie Star Chamber, where retired and active law enforcement meet in secret to vote on target assassinations of perps who beat the system on technicalities?

Usually, sting operations are conducted to reach the highest echelons of the criminal ring...aren't they?

I do agree that had the sting not been conducted these guys would be alive. I also think they should have had backup security at an arm's length if they thought it would be that dangerous.

73 posted on 12/19/2006 4:17:01 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: TheKidster
I have a question for you though, how does creating an opportunity for crime and participating in crime reduce crime?

If the perp had gotten away already with selling guns that were ultimately used in crimes...doing the sting would reduce future crime.

74 posted on 12/19/2006 4:23:05 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: DCPatriot

Was it worth the cost in this case?


75 posted on 12/19/2006 4:37:46 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: TheKidster

I hate to have to be the one to inform you, but absolute freedom and liberty and absolute safety and security are mutually exclusive.


76 posted on 12/19/2006 4:38:08 PM PST by Jackson57
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To: DCPatriot

What if the undercover operatives in the police bureau were contacted say....by an estranged girlfriend/wife who told them that this guy was dealing in weapons purchases and she was sick and tired of reading and viewing reports about young kids being shot and killed on the street

They investigate the crimes committed, use her testimony to find more evidence and seek a conviction in court after arresting the suspects on suspicion of the crime.


77 posted on 12/19/2006 4:40:30 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: KeyLargo

I find the title of this article a blatant lack of respect for the undercover officer and his work. The title is totally repulsive. Who wouldn't beg for their life? Obviously, negative titles draw readers or someone needs to hone their manners.


78 posted on 12/19/2006 4:48:59 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Jackson57

Thanks, you're very kind to share this insight with me, but it's an obvious and glaring fact any half intelligent person able to observe human nature should know by the age of 12.

The obvious paradox you seem to just have figured out is why we allow government some limited power by trading a bit of our liberty in exchange for some protection against people and groups that would be able to over power us while personally assuming the bulk of the responsibility to protect ourselves and property.

Government is a necessary evil a society must live with if it is to rise above primitive tribalism. It is also our personal responsiblity to make sure we keep government at bay because it's very nature ensures it will continually attempt to obtain more power, more control and infringe upon personal liberty. Our founders realized this clearly, clearly explained it in our founding documents, and warned us to remain eternally vigilant in resisting this dark nature of government. Government will not and cannot by its nature return liberties once they have been surrendered.

Patriots of even minimal intelligence and reasoning ability maintain a healthy distrust of government.

Shortsighted fools willingly reliquish personal liberty without question in the hope of security and find that thier hope for security becomes a source of tyranny.

Public servants no longer interested in serving the people and seduced by consolidation of power seek personal gain through the threat of force and deceive the weak minded/irresponsible with the empty theat of security they can't deliver.
Your attitude illustrates this dark nature of government very clearly.

It took man thousands of years to create a nation of freedom and liberty and a system to ensure this. People like yourself have gone a long way to obliterating this greatest accomplishment of humans in just a couple of hundred years, but i bet you'll skip most of what i've written looking for some semantics or obscure points with which to disagree so that you won't lose face.


79 posted on 12/19/2006 5:14:07 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: avacado
........being the only man ever to survive electrocution in Florida's aging "Old Sparky", career criminal Ronell Wilson has been having trouble combing his hair ever since.

Leni

80 posted on 12/19/2006 5:26:30 PM PST by MinuteGal (The Left takes power only through deception.)
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