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Churchill Downs: Smoking ban will hurt track
United Pro Smoker's Rights ^ | September 20, 2006 | Joseph Girth

Posted on 09/22/2006 2:01:03 PM PDT by SheLion

Churchill Downs could be hurt financially if it is forced to go completely smoke free, a company official said Wednesday.

Kevin Flanery, Churchill Downs Inc.’s vice president for national public affairs, told a Louisville Metro Council committee considering a new, tougher smoking ban, that the race track is already facing heavy competition from Indiana and from computer and telephone betting services.

And he said the company’s experience at a Florida track shows some people will stop betting when a smoking ban takes effect.

But the former head of the Greater Louisville Medical Society testified that his group favors a complete ban on smoking in public buildings, saying there is no safe level of exposure to second hand smoke.

The debate came as the council prepares to consider a tougher smoking ban that would prohibit smoking in the vast majority of public buildings and workplaces in the city.

Under the latest proposal, Churchill Downs would be exempt under the tougher ban. However, some councilors have said they would like to see smoking banned at the race track.

A committee vote could come as early as Oct. 4 but isn’t likely, said Council member Mary Woolridge, chairwoman of the council’s Health and Human Services Committee.


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1 posted on 09/22/2006 2:01:09 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; CSM; ...

2 posted on 09/22/2006 2:01:35 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

Yea, but the horses will run faster.


3 posted on 09/22/2006 2:01:52 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: Cagey

Yea, but the horses will run faster.

LOL!!


4 posted on 09/22/2006 2:03:04 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

Now, CUT THAT OUT!

5 posted on 09/22/2006 2:05:57 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: DeFault User

Too funny!!!!! Hahaha!

6 posted on 09/22/2006 2:10:41 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
But the former head of the Greater Louisville Medical Society testified that his group favors a complete ban on smoking in public buildings, saying there is no safe level of exposure to second hand smoke.

I call BS.

7 posted on 09/22/2006 2:50:30 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe

It is BS. All the major studies concluding that second hand smoke is some major public health problem have been debunked as outright frauds.


8 posted on 09/22/2006 3:06:40 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: lesser_satan; Just another Joe
And yet, the general non-smoking public continue to believe that BS!!!

What have we learned about secondhand smoke, smoking bans, and the people who lobby for and fund them?

(excerpt)

-And air quality testing from the American Cancer Society proved secondhand smoke is up to 25,000 times safer than the OSHA regulations for secondhand smoke.

9 posted on 09/22/2006 4:12:14 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Just another Joe

I love the "no safe level" argument.

ANR and Repace have tried that argument against me:

"Because there is no safe level of a harmful substance".....I love this argument most of all because it proves how scientifically inept these morons are......Do you really want to go there ANR? Because with that mentality you should stop breathing this instant........are you familiar with the harmful substance carbon dioxide? CO2 is fatal to humans at a concentration of 20%, yet with every breath you inhale a concentration of .4%......of a "harmful substance" do you still believe your own B.S. premise? Besides OSHA regulates indoor air quality not the EPA......and OSHA's entire existence is determining safe levels of "harmful substances" in thousands of airborne and otherwise, compounds....."

Excerpt above found here:

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2005/10/if-non-profits-cant-get-me-to-stop.html

My response to James Repace:

"..I love the activist "no safe level" argument most of all, it never gets old, and it makes me wonder how mankind has survived this long with such a defeatist attitude. With that mentality Mr. Repace you had better go stick your head in the ground, to be safe. No wait, I guess you can't do that, the arsenic naturally present in the dirt would be a "no safe level". In fact Mr. Repace with that line of reasoning you would have to stop breathing this instant, the CO2 levels in every breath are a health hazard. CO2 causes death in humans at a concentration of 20%.......yet there you go inhaling a potentially dangerous substance, ignoring your selective rule......"no safe level"......It's tired, it's old.....and it is quite possibly the most insincere argument you could make..."

found here:

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2005/08/tuesdays-with-mr-repace.html

Seriously though folks lets all remember it's for the horses...nobody knows how many equine have died from secondhand smoke and it's about time some pharmaceutical company provided funding to determine the truth.


10 posted on 09/22/2006 7:03:13 PM PDT by mwernimont (The facts on secondhand smoke don't support the smoking ban agenda)
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To: SheLion

Too funny!!!!! Hahaha!

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Not funny at all. Until smokers get off their asses,
we all lose.


11 posted on 09/22/2006 8:15:42 PM PDT by SL2
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To: SL2
Not funny at all. Until smokers get off their asses, we all lose.

See this.............??????

THAT'S what I said was FUNNY!

I don't take this war on private business owners and smokers as a joke at all.  If you knew me, you would know better!

12 posted on 09/22/2006 9:10:35 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
I don't take this war on private business owners and smokers as a joke at all. If you knew me, you would know better!

I don't know you at all. I'm talking about the 50 million that smoke.

What are they doing?

13 posted on 09/22/2006 9:26:25 PM PDT by SL2
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To: SL2
don't know you at all. I'm talking about the 50 million that smoke.

What are they doing?

Well, there are many smokers rights groups across the United States and overseas.  We are working as hard as we can.  But we have no funding.  Not like the highly paid professional anti-smokers, who, by the way, is being paid for by our money!  Our tax dollars are being used to line the pockets of these control freaks!

Everyone who pays taxes on cigarettes are paying for all the control, bans and restrictions!

But.............like I said.............all of us are working feverishly!  And many private business owners are now suing.


14 posted on 09/22/2006 9:40:20 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

Well, there are many smokers rights groups across the United States and overseas. We are working as hard as we can. But we have no funding.


Yikes. At what point do you know, when to shut up.


15 posted on 09/22/2006 10:06:46 PM PDT by SL2
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To: SL2
Yikes. At what point do you know, when to shut up.

Excuse me?  You are the one that demanded answers here.

Are you turning into a smart ass now?  What gives???

You are a newbie here.  You sure won't win friends and influence people with THAT attitude!

SL2
Since Jun 23, 2006

16 posted on 09/22/2006 10:27:46 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

"But we have no funding...."

That is true, and worse yet we do not have the control of the mainstream media......which is where most of the battles have been won......but the internet has proven itself to be the great equalizer. Remember the elimination of Dan Rather? it started on the internet with the Powerline blog (http://www.powerlineblog.com/).

Recently I came across a story about pro-smoking ban testimony in Pennsylvania where even the pro-smoking ban activists had to admit that there were business failings due to the smoking bans here in MN. Without the internet that information wouldn't get out since mainstream media doesn't cover the negative effects of smoking bans......but we on the internet do, and it is being read.

I posted the PA story here:

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2006/09/its-always-good-to-know-you-make.html


17 posted on 09/23/2006 9:27:44 AM PDT by mwernimont (The facts on secondhand smoke don't support the smoking ban agenda)
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To: mwernimont
Recently I came across a story about pro-smoking ban testimony in Pennsylvania where even the pro-smoking ban activists had to admit that there were business failings due to the smoking bans here in MN. Without the internet that information wouldn't get out since mainstream media doesn't cover the negative effects of smoking bans......but we on the internet do, and it is being read.

mwernimont, I always say Thank God for Free Republic and the Internet!!  At least we can work to get the word out in here!!!  I know before I had the Internet back in the early 90's, all I had was the Nightly News, the local news and the Bangor (Maine) Daily Newspaper. 

And we all KNOW how the big media guys keep the truth from us all.  But not anymore!!!!!  With the Internet, NOTHING can be hidden.  I LOVE it!

18 posted on 09/23/2006 10:08:30 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 09/23/2006 12:27:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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