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The Great Divide Over Illegal Immigration
Human Events ^ | August 24, 2006 | Lynn Wooley

Posted on 08/25/2006 5:27:28 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

It’s the question of the decade if not the question of the century: “Why is there such a disconnect between the political class and the people of the United States on the issue of illegal immigration?” The easy answers are that Republicans want cheap labor for their big-business contributors and Democrats see a near-limitless source of new votes.

Conventional wisdom rarely goes beyond that point, but really, labor and votes are mere surface issues. To some extent, and perhaps even unconsciously, our political elites seem to feel that many of their problems -- stuff like the recent Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal -- are really the fault of their constituents. Those darned voters sometimes organize, write letters, go on the blogs, and complain about high taxes -- sometimes they even vote a politician out of office. The nerve!

Perhaps a better class of constituents could be found that in time might begin to replace the whiners that our officials have to deal with now. You know -- a new type of voter that could be shaped into a perfect constituent that would never demand term limits or open government.

That’s the conclusion of Fredo Arias-King, who met privately with at least 80 members of Congress while handling public relations for then-candidate Vicente Fox in 1999 and 2000. The Harvard-educated Arias-King made 14 trips to the United States for Fox and attended both of the American political conventions. He says 90 percent of the officials that he spoke to wanted big increases in immigration. A few, he says, disparaged their white constituents calling them “rednecks” and apologizing for their views on immigration.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderlist; bordersecurity; globalism; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; mexico; oneworldgovernment
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To: TheLion
I think our borders are more important that Iraq. That is part of the problem the administration has not come to grips with.

Yeah. We can protect the North/South Korean border but not our own. What's worse is that we don't even TRY, and we don't let the INS do their jobs!

81 posted on 08/25/2006 9:48:07 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
As a matter of fact, something similar happened to me yesterday, right here on FR, just because I live in a swamp!

As that "punk" told Dirty Harry: I's gots to know. What happened?

82 posted on 08/25/2006 9:50:04 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Rockitz
"Once businesses realize just how devastating these RICO penalties can be, they will find it prudent to resist the urge to hire illegal aliens. Thus, the first successful RICO claim against an employer for hiring illegal aliens will likely send a strong signal to corporate America that immigration laws must be respected — precisely what Congress intended when it included INA violations in the RICO Act."

Lets pray it is so!

I would like to see this get down to the small contractors who, for example, contract to mow your grass. Many people are cutting out Americans by hiring illegals.

83 posted on 08/25/2006 9:50:10 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Soul Seeker

Excellent post!


84 posted on 08/25/2006 9:51:15 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Cacique

btt


85 posted on 08/25/2006 9:52:58 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: rottndog

It would be my bet that there are way more cameras at red lights in America than on the border.

Of course, an illegal alien wandering across the desert doesn't have any money, so it's useless to fine them.

Which basically proves what many have said all along, that politicians are basically prostitutes, but at least with real prostitutes you get what you pay for...


86 posted on 08/25/2006 9:59:00 PM PDT by djf (Some people say we evolved. I say "Some did, some didn't!")
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To: NewRomeTacitus

As that "punk" told Dirty Harry: I's gots to know. What happened'?



The subject was Giuliani, and the comment was made, "don't pay attention to him, he brags about living alone in a swamp". It is true, although my daughters family lives on the south half of the homestead, but the inference is that I must be retarded to live here, and all the bright folks live in big cities. This is the very damned arrogance the article discusses. I've seen examples on DU, but now it seems to be creeping in here. I was a loyal Republican before some of these wuesses were out of diapers, still am, but what they are doing has nothing to do with being Republican. I don't have a clue what they are, but Rudy is one of them.
I don't "brag" about living here, don't feel ashamed either. I have enough space for my grandson to have a fullsize football field, a 100 yard rifle range, and room left over, they need to try that, in their Manhattan apartments.


87 posted on 08/25/2006 10:12:27 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET, IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: Rockitz

Very well said and I agree with all your views with this caveat: Both parties are bad but at least the Republicans have some who realize what's going on.

If the Republicans don't nominate a conservative in the Reagan tradition in '08, I'm going to write-in Tancredo.


88 posted on 08/25/2006 10:24:57 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Soul Seeker; All

Re' your post #40 - all true until you agreed that Buchanan was a bigot against Jews. This has been a classic case of a lie repeated so much that it is regarded as truth. From what I recall is that he said the U.S. shouldn't put its interests before Israel's, at which point everyone else in the media circus screamed that he was some sort of Nazi.

Anyone out there have any written evidence of Buchanan's anti-Semitism? Anyone? And poor Dane's ruminations on carbon monoxide don't count.

I truly believe it' all part of a smear campaign to shut up people who dare to speak the truth.


89 posted on 08/25/2006 10:27:27 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: NewRomeTacitus

You should try reading his columns since Israel was forced to defend itself from Islamic terrorists hiding in Lebanon. It would erase any doubts a reasonable person might have.


90 posted on 08/25/2006 10:29:55 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Soul Seeker; All

Correction: He said that we should look after our interests before Israel's. How anyone could misconstrue such a statement as being anti-Jew and totally disregard basic patriotism and loyalty for America over another nation as proof of bigotry is beyond me.


91 posted on 08/25/2006 10:36:35 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: CWOJackson

I read them and recognized the devil's advocate style that they were written. I thought Buchanan made that plain in the preface and last paragraphs.


92 posted on 08/25/2006 10:39:29 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: NewRomeTacitus
LOL! As I said, simply reading his many articles defending Islamic terrorists will erase any doubt in a sane person's mind. Oops...I didn't say sane didn't I.

Sorry...just disregard his articles.

93 posted on 08/25/2006 10:42:06 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Clintonfatigued
Republicans, on the other hand, many of whom have dropped any pretense at supporting smaller government, are willing to take all these poor people because the upper classes want them as low-paid servants and because they might be shaped into loyal Republicans. The upper class will simply tell the lower class how to vote. That seems to be the view of the President’s most trusted aide, Karl Rove.

Ya, that is what must be driving the dynamics of this issue. Whatever. One downside of the internet is the amount of garbage out there whose noisome airs are facilitated by being given wider play. The ying and the yang. But I don't mind. The American public overall has more common sense than this reveals. They will get it more nearly right in the end, than pundits seeking some grand unified theory to foster their agenda, sometimes one not fully revealed.

94 posted on 08/25/2006 10:47:10 PM PDT by Torie
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To: CWOJackson

I'll expand that I read most of those and found the content more along the lines of questioning our involvement in Middle East issues while our government rushes to intervene without thorough analysis or the costs of Islamic repercussions. Nowhere did I see any anti-Israel sentiments, just criticism of how their knee-jerk/no compromise responses sometimes works against them because of their predictability.


95 posted on 08/25/2006 10:51:25 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: CWOJackson
Somebody else also considered the Utah race a "referendum on 'immigration.'"
96 posted on 08/25/2006 10:54:00 PM PDT by gaussia
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To: NewRomeTacitus
LOL! Sure, just like the when we (the United States, not Israel) bombing a terrorist hideout in Pakistan a few months back. We took out five or six fairly high level terrorists.

And what did pat buchanan's article in response talk about? How we (the United States, not Israel) had killed innocent women and children in Pakistan and no wonder they hate us. He NEVER ONCE mentioned the that the target was known terrorists and that we had killed them.

About the only thing/person buchanan dislikes more then Israel is our President.

97 posted on 08/25/2006 10:54:57 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Clintonfatigued
Perhaps a better class of constituents could be found that in time might begin to replace the whiners that our officials have to deal with now. You know -- a new type of voter that could be shaped into a perfect constituent that would never demand term limits or open government.

Our officials seem to think Latinos will be easily controlled. They must think they'll live in their gated communities protected from the growing crime.

98 posted on 08/25/2006 10:59:49 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: CWOJackson

If you're right about Pat hating Jews should I consider everything else he's written as "tainted"? His latest book is nothing but common sense (so little practiced these days) and his "Death of the West" turned out to be prophetic.

I agree that the man needs an editor to curtail his passionate tirades made without thinking everything through. I wish I still had that fire but rational evaluation will have to suffice. Good luck on getting those illegal criminals relabeled as legals.


99 posted on 08/25/2006 11:09:56 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: NewRomeTacitus
"I agree that the man needs an editor to curtail his passionate tirades made without thinking everything through."

Passionate tirades? For the past six years he had continually defended Islamic terrorists while condemning this country, and Israel, as the cause. And folks wonder why President Reagan fired him.

100 posted on 08/25/2006 11:14:25 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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