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Science Fiction has become a poisoned well . .
7-27-06 | Marc Costanzo

Posted on 07/27/2006 6:49:43 PM PDT by marc costanzo

The essay below was originally written in the early Spring of 2001:

With the passing away of LEXX ends an intriguing albeit tawdry experiment in Sci-fantasy. One that breaks with conventions, or should I say cliches of TV sci-fi of the 90's . The politically correct pabulum, the multicultural indoctrination, the BladeRunner motifs, and not the least; the steroid mutated superbabes that can punch the lights out of men, but never get punched back in return !?

How about creating a new sci-fi anthology with none of the puerile baggage of Rod Serling, Rockne Obannon, Michael J. Stracinsky, etc .. It is time to end their reign of un-American cynicism and fatalism !


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: canada; entertainment; fiction; firefly; heinlein; lexx; media; sciencefiction; scifi; serenity; tv; vanity
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To: JamesP81; mdmathis6
...the big question in my mind is who would you get to play Harrington? That's a hard part to fill. Harrington is a tall, dark haired woman hailing from mountainous country. She's mostly caucasian with a significant amount of Chinese. That's going to be a hard thing to cast.

How about Tia Carrere? I liked her role as an archaeologist/adventuress in "Relic Hunter". If you need taller, perhaps Kelly Hu.

341 posted on 07/28/2006 11:20:39 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Starter
I was referring less to the early description of him in Ringworld:

Louis Wu. From a distance he was an oriental, with pale yellow skin and flowing white hair. His rich blue robe was carelessly draped, so that it should have hampered his movements; but it didn't.

Close up, it was all a fraud. His skin was not pale yellow-brown, but a smooth chrome yellow, the color of a comic-book Fu Manchu. His queue was too thick; it was not the white of age, but sheer clean white with a subliminal touch of blue, the color of dwarf star sunlight. As with all flatlanders, cosmetic dyes were the colors of Louis Wu.

That is followed by the section you were thinking of, and you got it very close from memory (I'm cheating... I have the ebook)

A flatlander. You could tell at a glance. His features were neither Caucasian nor Mongoloid nor Negroid, though there were traces of all three: a uniform blend which must have required centuries. In a gravitational pull of 9.98 meters/second, his stance was unconsciously natural. 

His biological father, Carlos Wu (at least according to the collection of Beowulf Schaeffer stories put out as Crashlander), was described as more oriental in appearance, and the above piece makes it clear that he wasn't Caucasian, so Shawn would probably be to "old white guy" to pull it off.

But I was mostly talking about the "cool" factor.  When Jim Cameron was talking to Larry Niven about making the movie he suggested someone like Chow Yun Fat, not because of his race but because he was cool and could play both youth and age.  Wallace Shawn can play menacing, mostly at second hand, where he'd have to have someone else to carry out his threats.  I could never believe a scene with Wallace Shawn standing up to a Kzin and issuing a challenge to hand to hand combat as anything but farce.

Accustomed to his own standards of tact, Louis had expected the kzin to lie. Then Louis would have pretended to believe him, and the kzin would have been more polite in future ... too late to back out now. Louis hesitated a fraction of a second before he said, "And what is the custom?"

"We must fight bare-handed -- as soon as you deliver the challenge. Or one of us must apologize."

Louis stood up. He was committing suicide; but he'd known tanj well what the custom was. "I challenge you," he said. "Tooth against tooth, claw against fingernail, since we cannot share a universe in peace."

If Shawn tried to deliver that line it would be pure comedy.  If someone like Chow Yun Fat did you could believe it, and he could probably make you realize that he knew it was his own death sentence he was proclaiming, but he issued the threat anyway.

Lieb Schrieber might pull it off.  A younger (and less emaciated) Willem Defoe could to.  The Rock could do it if he played it the way he played his character in Rundown.  In fact, he might be the best choice, if he could downplay his physical stature and could manage to convery world weary age. 

Do understand, I love Wallace Shawn's stuff, but he just makes me shudder in association with Louis Wu.  Wallace Shawn is whiny, even when he's not whining.  Louis Wu doesn't whine (except to lull his adversary into a false sense of security). 

342 posted on 07/28/2006 11:22:48 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: tarheelswamprat
How about Tia Carrere? I liked her role as an archaeologist/adventuress in "Relic Hunter". If you need taller, perhaps Kelly Hu.

They probably appear too asian, as good as they are. Harrington's only half-asian.
343 posted on 07/28/2006 11:22:50 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: marc costanzo
In 1988 Demi Moore starred in this film called The Seven Signs, not to be confused with The Seventh Seal.

In it, the villian was trying to facilitate the end of the world becuase he was Pontius Pilate's gatekeeper who totured Christ, and was condemned to speand the rest of eternity to wander the Earth, until the world came to an end!

I never saw that one. I'll have to add it to my Netflix queue. Thanks for the tip!

344 posted on 07/28/2006 11:24:11 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Interesting Times
Absolutely. How about a full-length feature film of The Last Castle, are possibly Emphyrio?

Vance's character development and discriptive dialog would be hard to do.

I would be interested to see who would play my favorite Vance character "Cugel the Clever".

345 posted on 07/28/2006 11:24:37 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (999-TNS)
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To: mrsmith
But now, I've dealt with so many Pouncetrifles, Dimplicks, and Groaci and Boge, over the years that it's the broad exposition of the "professional" behavior of the characters that I most enjoy.

Even as a kid I recognized and enjoyed the caricatures of government bureaucrats. To a kid who grew up during the height of the Cold War it was a breath of fresh air.

346 posted on 07/28/2006 11:48:12 AM PDT by 6ppc
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To: B-Chan
I would like to see ARC LIGHT by Eric L. Harry made into a GOOD 12-hour TV miniseries.

that would be an awesome movie. Or even better ... "Invasion". Of course the PC police would kill that one in it's cradle.

347 posted on 07/28/2006 11:59:17 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (You can't qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it-Sherman)
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To: Mike Darancette
Vance's character development and discriptive dialog would be hard to do.

True. You'd almost need a narrator to work in some of the prose.

I would be interested to see who would play my favorite Vance character "Cugel the Clever".

Possibly John Kerry?

348 posted on 07/28/2006 12:19:08 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Hodar
I became a Firefly fan after Serenity came out.

I think that the movie is discordant from the series. The series was "small", and things were in the details and personal interactions. The movie had some cool stuff, but it had to be "big". Thus for me, it lost a lot of what I liked about Firefly.

I'm not particularly fond of Wheldon's other series, but Firefly was just "wow"...once you get past certain assumptions.

349 posted on 07/28/2006 12:28:58 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Kieri
Not only that, B5 was helped out by Harlan Ellison.

Harlan Ellison is a freaky nut. Straszinski found the home for him - visual ideas, with no control over anything. Ellison is very good at being disturbed.

350 posted on 07/28/2006 12:35:06 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: RebelBanker
The one with the AK-47's was Guns of the South which has no sequels.

GOS is still the first book of the series. With the second book (I think it was "How Few Remain"), the outcome of a sovereign Confederacy in GOS is referred to, but the time-traveling Afrikaners had been quietly replaced by Lee's lost orders as having led to a victorious South. My impression is that Turtledove had gotten flak from Confederacy buffs who objected to the need for foreign help in a South-wins scenario.

351 posted on 07/28/2006 1:23:02 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: BlazingArizona
How Few Remain is not a sequel to Guns of the South. Turtledove used the same general idea ("What if the Confederacy won?") but the actual stories are unrelated.
352 posted on 07/28/2006 1:29:18 PM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: Kieri
That's why I cringe every time I hear SCIFI is "adapting" a classic novel. They butchered "Riverworld," too.

Add to that their tacky remake of "Dune". Yes, the miniseries form gave them the space to tell the whole story, while the David Lynch version had to be jammed into the runtime of a feature (with the crucial dinner scene omitted, for example), but it couldn't touch the production values of the original film.

353 posted on 07/28/2006 1:34:32 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: discostu

Wil Gibson wanted to get away from the sacharine shiny-happy-future that had taken over SF in the 70s. Personally I like the changes, those clean shiny SF worlds were primarily boring, they didn't connect to <<

What, a lot of dystopian movie were comming out in the 1970's,

SILENT RUNNING, QUINTETTE, DARK STAR, ALIEN(a Gibson fav)
the last Planet of the Ape movies -
Wil Gib also had a hand in writing the first drafts of ALIEN3 screenplay, remember that nightmare ?

Let us get this clear, I am commenting primarily on Movies and TV entertainment .
Most of those in the past 25 years !

Gibson also made an appearance as himself in that god awful Oliver Stone produced WILD PALMS, rem that crappy TV miniseries from 1993 ?


354 posted on 07/28/2006 2:37:58 PM PDT by marc costanzo (Better an Honest Enemy of than Dishonest Ally ! ! ! !)
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To: tarheelswamprat

>>I never saw that one. I'll have to add it to my Netflix queue. Thanks for the tip!<<

If you like the younger pre-boob job Demi Moore, yes !


355 posted on 07/28/2006 2:40:19 PM PDT by marc costanzo (Better an Honest Enemy of than Dishonest Ally ! ! ! !)
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To: Phsstpok

So far I'm enjoying Weber/Wright's "Insurrection" amongst others.

I even enjoyed Allen Steele's Coyote and Coyote rising. He is a liberal author but his characters wind up coming to some rather conservative conclusions. He is at least honest enough to believe in self reliance and the tyranny of leftism.


356 posted on 07/28/2006 2:40:41 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (Borders. Language. Culture. AAA-0. Free Travis Mcgee.)
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To: BlazingArizona

I hope they never get the rights for any of Lois McMaster Bujold's "Miles Vorkosigan" books. I started reading her when her novels first came out and they're about the only ones I buy in hardcover.

Another terrific author I hope SCIFI never touches is Julie Czerneda. She's fairly new on the SF scene but I highly recommend her Web Shifter series and "In The Company of Others." She's also extremely reader-friendly.


357 posted on 07/28/2006 2:43:24 PM PDT by Kieri (Dump "Dangerously Incompetent" Debbie, Support Keith Butler for Senate)
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To: BlazingArizona

Nor could the tacky Canadian version match the higher quality acting of the David Lynch movie .

A longer version of that 1984 movie was released on Sci-Fi channel years ago - it more elucidated the story, with series of painted montage still scenes and a narration .

David Lynch insisted his name was to be stricken from the credits(Alan Smithee pseudonym) .

They could re-edit a superior version of the Lynch movie that would easily be far superior to that cheesy Cable TV version- with is bad Canadian actors


358 posted on 07/28/2006 2:47:25 PM PDT by marc costanzo (Better an Honest Enemy of than Dishonest Ally ! ! ! !)
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To: marc costanzo
"VOYAGE OF THE SPACE BEAGLE"

Would you believe, I re-read that a few months ago! One great story. I have many of his books.

I have "Voyage of the Space Beagle" in a trilogy form called "Triad"....with "Slan" and "The World of A".

I read a little every day, usually with my coffee, when I get up.

359 posted on 07/28/2006 2:50:54 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: marc costanzo

Most of these didn't make much money. Star Trek and Star Wars ruled the SF roost in those days, clean ships, clearly defined enemies, no hard decisions.

You can't look at the last 25 years without looking at the years before. Trends tend to be a reaction to other trends. Shiny-happy-future bored a lot of people, some of them writers and directors. Alien started the rebellion against that kind of SF, but it got legs and a brand when Neuromancer came out.


360 posted on 07/28/2006 3:07:13 PM PDT by discostu (you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes)
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