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Ohioans won't support total smoking ban
Dayton Business Journal ^ | 3-8-06

Posted on 03/09/2006 7:30:59 AM PST by SheLion

Poll results released late Tuesday show most Ohioans favor a smoking ban that exempts bars, bowling alleys, private clubs and restaurants that reserve separate rooms for smoking.

The Ohio Licensed Beverage Association polled 600 voters and found Ohioans would reject a total smoking ban by a 52 percent to 46 percent margin.

But a majority of those polled support a modified ban, and 62 percent believe business owners should be allowed to determine their own smoking policies.

Locally, the city of Centerville implemented a smoking ban that went into effect last spring. Except for a handful of bars, restaurants and tobacco stores, the city's businesses are all required to be smoke-free.


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To: trubluolyguy
Because liberalism is the horrific knowledge that someone, somewhere is having a good time.

Tell that to your fellow Ohioan MikeWUSAF.

21 posted on 03/09/2006 8:58:30 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
Because people like MikeWUSAF in Ohio hates smoking smokers and his ilk are pushing for more bans to deprive the rest of the good people in Ohio who choose to use a legal product.

Fixed it for ya.
22 posted on 03/09/2006 9:00:10 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: MikeWUSAF
Gee I hope so! Or charge smokers triple for health insurance!

You better wise up young one!  Smokers pay MORE then their fair share by way of cigarette taxes. Ohio Information

Ohio Smokers Rights:
A public yahoo group for anyone who wants to talk about the Ohio ban situation.


"It is now the second day of the no smoking ban in Toledo, and I still can't shake this ominous feeling and the only way that I can describe it is that its like a game of hang man where every letter missed a new part to the doomed man is added and thats how I view each law that infringes upon our rights, its like an added strand or another fiber to the noose around each of our necks that will someday strangle us all."
Amanda

Greater Cincinnati Hospitality Coalition

Save Cleveland Jobs

Akron Cigar Club

Columbus Bar Owners Political Action Committee

Tobacco Festival Begins In Ripley.



23 posted on 03/09/2006 9:02:07 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: MikeWUSAF; All

Attention all business owners suffering from a smoking ban.
Please fill out this form and submit it for a new web page
Ban Loss

24 posted on 03/09/2006 9:02:51 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping!


25 posted on 03/09/2006 9:03:25 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: SheLion
And a 30-year-old wet-behind-the-ears kid knows what is better for ALL of us, I guess?

This 30 year old kid honorably served his country and has earned the right to state his opinion.

I will overlook your insult to my age and wisdom and consider it a mental lapse caused by years of nicotine ingestion.
26 posted on 03/09/2006 9:03:52 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: MikeWUSAF
i.e. killing themselves and others.

Pity how you have been easily swayed and bought into all the anti propaganda going on around you.

27 posted on 03/09/2006 9:04:27 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

Tell that to your fellow Ohioan MikeWUSAF.




Not even I am that brave.


28 posted on 03/09/2006 9:05:02 AM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam, Religion of Peace and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

They polled 600 folks, don't say if they were likely voters or even registered voters... Or even if they were of voting age.

Smokers just don't want to accept that society has shifted.. for a very long time smoking was the social norm and those who did not smoke had to endure the fallout from those who did... now society has shifted and smoking is no longer the norm and they will have to accept and edure that.

I've lived in places that have banned smoking and places that don't... and I can tell you first hand, bars and restraunts are no less busy in areas that have the ban vs those that don't.


29 posted on 03/09/2006 9:06:28 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: SheLion
Pity how you have been easily swayed and bought into all the anti propaganda going on around you.

Propaganda? No, I just have trouble breathing when I'm around it and just buried a relative that died from smoking. Guess I'm just a freak?
30 posted on 03/09/2006 9:06:44 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: SheLion
I just read the following on another forum.........

From an earlier time.....

In early 1944, the New York Times asked Vice President Henry Wallace to, as Wallace noted, "write a piece answering the following questions: What is a fascist? How many fascists have we? How dangerous are they?" Wallace’s answer to those questions was published in the Times on April 9, 1944, at the height of the war against the Axis powers of Germany and Japan. See how much you think his statements apply to our society today: "The really dangerous American fascist," Wallace wrote, ". . . is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power."

In his strongest indictment of the tide of fascism he saw rising in America, Wallace added, "They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection."

31 posted on 03/09/2006 9:08:11 AM PST by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: MikeWUSAF; All

Ohio Tobacco Taxes

 

Ohio's excise tax per pack of cigarettes: $0.550
Ohio's excise tax collection for the
fiscal year ending June 2002: $264,300,000

Sales tax on tobacco products: 5.00%
Local tax on tobacco products: $4,894,767

Federal excise tax per pack of cigarettes: $0.39
Total federal excise tax collections in fiscal year 2002: $7,512,700,000

 

Comparing Excise Taxes on Cigarettes, Beer and Wine

Number of six-packs of beer that must be sold in Ohio to produce the same state excise tax revenue generated by one carton of cigarettes: 54.3

Number of bottles of wine that must be sold in Ohio to produce the same state excise tax revenue generated by one carton of cigarettes: 92.5

Ohio Smokers' Contributions to the State Economy - 2002

 

Ohio smokers comprise only 27.6%1 of the adult population in the state. Here is what they already pay because they choose to buy a legal product:
Smokers Pay State/Local Excise Taxes2 $ 269,365,869
Smokers Pay Sales Taxes2 $ 165,144,083
Smokers Pay Tobacco Settlement Payments3 $ 360,080,092
  $ 794,590,044



32 posted on 03/09/2006 9:08:15 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
This 30 year old kid honorably served his country and has earned the right to state his opinion.

Heh! At least this OLDER kid who ALSO served honorably in the military knows that NO ONE EARNS a right to state his opinion in this country. We're all BORN with this right.

And that's MY opinion.
33 posted on 03/09/2006 9:10:49 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: MikeWUSAF
This 30 year old kid honorably served his country and has earned the right to state his opinion.

I will overlook your insult to my age and wisdom and consider it a mental lapse caused by years of nicotine ingestion.

You know what puts us on opposite sides of the fence here?

It's your all knowing hatred for people who choose to buy a legal commodity.  You are so ate up by something you find so repulsive that you want to take it from the rest of the good people in Free Republic.

You just continue down this road you are on in here, and let's see how many friends you make, MIKEY!

34 posted on 03/09/2006 9:11:13 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: HamiltonJay

I never cease to be amazed at how smokers consider this ban an infringement on their rights. Nobody is saying they can't smoke and I would never support such a thing. They just can't do it where it would affect others.


35 posted on 03/09/2006 9:11:21 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: MikeWUSAF
They have enough signatures, it will be on November's ballot and my wife and I will vote for it!

(Shaking my head) I wonder when was the last time that you were forced to enter a building with smokers. Be careful what you ask for.

There is never ending danger when voting in league with the Socialist Nannies. Just wait until they decide what else will be best for you even though you may disagree. But you have already fed the monster until it is big, beyond your ability to fight it.

Again, be careful what you ask for. Next, the nannies will decide you drive an unacceptable car. Or you are not raising your children with acceptable values.

36 posted on 03/09/2006 9:11:47 AM PST by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: SheLion
Ohio Smokers Rights: A public yahoo group for anyone who wants to talk about the Ohio ban situation.

OMG, you have your own support group?
37 posted on 03/09/2006 9:12:22 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: Ghengis

Yep. Sugar, caffeine, soda, fast foods, fatty foods, etc....

When they go after something that THEY enjoy, hear them squeal.


38 posted on 03/09/2006 9:16:29 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: MikeWUSAF
I never cease to be amazed at how smokers consider this ban an infringement on their rights.

You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Smoking bans are not an infringement on the rights of smokers, but rather an infringement on the rights of property owners.

Nobody is saying they can't smoke and I would never support such a thing.

But you admit to being willing to vote to strip the property owner of that right and the right to choose if he wishes to permit others to engage in the right on his priate property.

39 posted on 03/09/2006 9:17:39 AM PST by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Its a religion to them, you can't argue with them. Its just like gay marriage.. gays say their rights are being infringed because they can't marry... which is of course not true... they are free to marry, just hast to be to a member of the opposite sex... but they will never accept that... just as smokers will never accept that saying you can't smoke here is not the same as you can't smoke at all.

I think it just shows how addicted they are to the things that they are unable to recognize this.


40 posted on 03/09/2006 9:18:50 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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