Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious
Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:
Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!
Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks
Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.
I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.
Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.
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The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.
If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.
I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.
While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.
This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.
I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.
Yikes!
I jst dont know. What do you two think.
Oh, you mean liberals, trustafarians, Democrats.....
I just love Liberty. Right now, the friends of Liberty are on the conservative side....
Liberty includes the Freedom to raise Capital to start a business and hire you--unless you raise the Capital with a Good Idea and hire me
Welcome to FR.
http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm
This was written 155 years ago, & notice how this French author PRAISED the United States (of 1850, that is).
The only disagreement I have w/ the author is that he believed that women shouldn't be allowed to vote....but other than that, I think this is a WONDERFUL defense of capitalism, private property, & the US.
BTW, could anyone please tell me why this link doesn't work? I thought I typed it correctly, & would appreciate your advice. Thank you! :-)
You don't want to have your mind changed, the ONLY thing that you agree with, vis-a-vis the rest of us here, is about guns, your ridiculous hatred of capitalist ( and I assume CAPITALISM as well )should be an immediate cause for banning you, and thus far, you have refused to really engage in any meaningful debate. Have I erred in this summation, on any point?
If what I have stated is true and factual, then, I suggest that you do several things....1) engage in true debate 2) post what you really "feel" and stop worrying about getting the ZOT 3) open your mind.
Pleas explain WHY you are a GREENIE.
Thank you....but what did I do wrong that prevented my link from working?
Ruh roh! It's not as black and white as you've been led to believe is it? Not only talking heads but many republicans are concerned about H1-B visa's being issued in areas where we have sufficient Americans to fill the jobs.
As far as being class conscious and hating capitalists, have you ever noticed some of the more wealthy people around are democrats? Quite a number of them didn't inherit the wealth either they earned it using good old fashioned capitalism. There's nothing evil about wanting to be better off than we are financially. I don't particularly find struggling financially all that noble.
You'll find many on this board are working people just like you are. You say you're surrounded by conservatives, how well do you know these people? Are you under the impression they don't give a darned about the environment? If you are then you're working under a misunderstanding. We more than likely believe in a more balanced approach to conservation than most who wear the tag of green do but it doesn't mean we don't have concerns about the environment.
You'll see all sorts of responses on FR about all sorts of different problems facing America today. Some will be kneejerk, some will be well reasoned, if you can take the time to read about conservative beliefs I think you'll find quite a few areas we will be in agreement about.
You just bored me to sleep hippy.
Some links just wont enter as links automatically. I have no idea why. If it doesn't work after I preview, I re-do it in HTML.
I don't know what party I will vote for in 2006. I am very disillusioned by the big spending Republicans right now.
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http://www.clubforgrowth.org/why.php
You show signs of intellgent life. Stick around and learn what freedom and free enterprise are all about. Then you won't hate "capitalists." BTW, a capitalist is just a person who employs people to run machinery and equipment to product goods & services for the benefit of society. Why do you hate capitalists?
Maybe a little while more, then zot.
We'll pave the sucker later, rather than sooner, but like all trolls, he WILL get paved over!
Thank you. So, my point is, give someone willing to wander towards the light a chance my dear. That's all.
My family has fought the Communist scourge long before America started embracing it, long before any of the Great World Wars.
I understand the enemy and am willing to give them an opportunity to wake up before their road comes to and end.
Love your enemy, right up until you might have to whack'em.
"FANS" ?
Well, thanks! Every now and then, I get something right! lol
Mark
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