Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious
Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:
Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!
Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks
Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.
I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.
Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.
*******Beginning of new thread by the same Troll**************
The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.
If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.
I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.
While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.
This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.
I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.
I wont go off topic, but if you want a complete answer, FREEPmail me. :-)
The newbie is a self proclaimed GRENNIE/PROGRESSIVE. He's stated that he did NOT come here to have his mind changed. He knows the ropes and is being extra special careful, in his replies, so that he wont be zotted. He's 31 and no kid. He HATES capitalists and uses MOLOTOV quotes as refutation.
Read the link to the Green Party platform and then get back to me.
I have been reading posts here and replied to some. I began writing a long reply to the post about World War II but shortened it.
check this out for starters---
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573248/posts
Nopardon! LOL
Anyone that visits this site and ends up thinking that Watermelon policy has any veracity, well, there's nothing anyone can do for them.
You might consider coming back to FR under a different name and entering the pool by walking down the steps, instead of using a cannonball from the high board.
And cut out the "love" stuff; I'm already a Christian and don't need to be proselytized at.
Your next problem is the "Green" thing. It has no basis in logic, or pier reviewed papers, it's junk science done by a bunch of intellectuals with an agenda against capitalism. You can change the world by making something, look at Bill Gates, he made something that worked, and now he's rich.
I'm a doctor, I make something that works, I save lives. Yes, I get paid for it, and I need the pay that I get. Do I have a nice home? It's average, it's a townhome. Do I have a Mercedes? No I have a Chevy pick up, and it's a Colorado not a Siverado. My wife is in medicine too, does she have a Mercedes? No, she has a Chevy Blazer. We have a cabin at a lovely lake, we saved for that, long and hard. Is it an estate? No, it's a cabin and we love it. Do we have a yacht? No, We have a fishing boat and a pontoon. Do we have a lot of money to spend? No, we spent it on our children's education and their well being, and a little fun at the cabin for all of us.
Don't stand there and preach your "progressiveness" to me until you work 15 hours a day, seven days a week, and try to raise your own children. Don't you tell me that I have to deny my children the things that I never had. Don't you tell me what to do in my life, or with the hard earned money that I work for.
I get so sick and tired of you self righteous bastards telling me that I have no charity. I don't brag about my charity, and I never will. All that horse crap that you swill, match my charity, dollar for dollar and hour for hour, it would be like pi$$ing in the ocean for you.
You love to say, "walk a mile in my shoes", I got news for you, your shoes couldn't take it. 15 hours on your feet with nothing but sick people to care for! You want to try that pally, huh? It isn't fun, but I love it, and I wouldn't have worked this hard to do it, to have the honor of doing it, if I wasn't in love with my profession, and I am.
Son, you need a life. Green bullsh!t isn't life, human life is the wonder of the world ,it is what God created, and He meant it to be preserved. That's science, save lives. Trees are meant to be houses, oil is meant to be fuel (and other things), animals are meant to be eaten, humans are meant to be saved. Get something more that some anarchist philosophy, it's counterproductive. Care for something that really makes a difference.
That's why we all are here at FreeRepublic. We're dedicated to the preservation of the things that make America great. We're doctors, lawyers, welders, truck drivers, professors, farmers, ranchers, business owners, mechanics, housewives, clerks, and everything that makes a great nation, a free nation. We are people that don't want government in our lives, cause it's best when we are left alone to be free. Son, we are the nation, you can like that or not, but that's what this place is all about. Sure, you get to sound off, but we do too. And, you got a little of my 2 cents, so there you go.
Think about that, and come back later. Just think a bit.
BTW...I have NO idea what that cartoon character is about; don't recognize it.
Obviously, neither has any facts on their side.
:)
Capitalism is something that helps promote innovation and hard work. When you can work harder and be rewarded for that work, or come up with a new idea, or a better way to do things, and profit from it, that's capitalism. Being rewarded for your work and innovation. Socialism brings everyone down to the same level, and it ignores "human nature." It also rewards laziness and makes sure that people who do outstanding work are not rewarded for their additional efforts.
The worst part of a socialistic system is that EVERYONE MUST PARTICIPATE, otherwise, it simply won't work. People who don't want to participate must be forced to do so. One of the reasons that so many people died trying to get out of East Berlin.
Mark
Perhaps a lot of the difference is that conservatives are proud to be called conservative. It is a positive exciting name for a political perspective. We don't have to bow to a Party to express our views. Conversely, most liberals are afraid of being called liberals. They hide behind progressive or moderate and often just want to be called Democrats. Liberal is a negative word. Few of them can stand up and proudly say that they are liberal.
A gutsy commie troll, that stands firm in his conviction. But still a commie. The entreaties to join conservatism only embolden him. He is analyzing the responses, in an attempt to utilize this as a commie forum. I recommend paving.
Actually, Bernie Goldberg is likely NOT a conservative (rather, he has probably voted Democrat most of his life) and he takes special pains to be as impeccable and objective in his reseacrch and conclusions as anybody I have ever read. He speaks the same way - - just states the facts and determines the most reasonable conclusions that can be derived from those facts. This, naturally, causes liberals - - especially old media liberals - - to despise him. But their hatred for Bernie doesn't make Bernie a conservative.
Yep and just enough of the "touchy- feely" poo, so that FR's bleeding hearts go apeXXXT over him.
I made a two part answer. I also said if you read what VP Wallace said from 1940 on, well, just read one of his speeches after WWII to see where some in the Democratic parties heads were at with regards to the USSR. On a scale from left to right in terms of containing communism, obviously Democrats like him were not near the center, but over on the left of the spectrum regarding containment of communism
welcome to FR. you seem to be an intelligent person, thanks for your well written post. While you're here, examine what is here, you may find your opinions change. As a former leftist, as many of us here are, it is often the case that when the battle of ideas is allowed to flourish freely it exposes one to innate truths that work to bring one over to the Conservative/Libertarian side.
For a start, you might find this interesting:
http://www.neoperspectives.com/summary.htm
It's kind of like a bowel movement isn't it?
That was the best post on the thread so far Mark. :)
I'm not proselytizing you oh sage, I'm stating how much you are well-wished for by the fans.
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