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Scientists discover most fertile Irish male
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 1/17/06 | Siobhan Kennedy

Posted on 01/17/2006 9:16:45 AM PST by NormsRevenge

DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the country's most fertile male, with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring.

The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as many as one in twelve Irish men could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th-century warlord who was head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland.

His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol emperor who conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million descendants, said Dan Bradley, who supervised the research.

"It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told Reuters. "We're the first generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't (always) have more children."

The research was carried out by PhD student Laoise Moore, at the Smurfit Institute of Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is passed on from fathers to sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland.

The results -- which have been published in the American Journal of Human Genetics -- showed the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, where one in five males had the same Y chromosome.

Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in central Asia, where scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. Subsequent studies found they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan.

GENGHIS KHAN EFFECT

"It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan effect in Ireland and the best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said.

His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them with a contemporary list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the last known relative of the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall.

The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those in the original sample, proving a link between them and the Niall descendents.

"The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that genealogical group than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also linked to the medieval warlord. Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include Gallagher, Boyle, O'Donnell and O'Doherty.

For added proof, the scientists used special techniques to age the Y chromosome, according to how many mutations had occurred in the genetic material over time. The number of mutations was found to be in accordance with chromosomes that would date back to the last known living relative of Niall.

Niall reportedly had 12 sons, many of whom became powerful Irish kings themselves. But because he lived in the 5th century, there have been doubts the king -- who is said to have brought the country's patron saint, Patrick, to Ireland -- even existed.

"Before I would have said that characters like Niall were almost mythological, like King Arthur, but this actually puts flesh on the bones," Bradley said.

When international databases were checked, the chromosome also turned up in roughly 2 percent of all male New Yorkers.


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To: AntiGuv

Nope. Jews come from the tribe of Judah. Adam and Noah lived log before that.


21 posted on 01/17/2006 9:25:31 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: AntiGuv

Neither Noah nor Adam were "Jewish" and neither was Abraham, Issac or Jacob.........


22 posted on 01/17/2006 9:25:51 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: NormsRevenge

I guess I should reconsider my stance on corned beef and cabbage.


23 posted on 01/17/2006 9:26:07 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well! That accounts for all the years of internal war.

SIBLING RIVALRY


24 posted on 01/17/2006 9:26:13 AM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: NormsRevenge

1500 years form now they'll probably be saying the same thing about some current NBA player. (Or perhaps a sperm donor.)


25 posted on 01/17/2006 9:26:26 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: NormsRevenge

I read somewhere that one out of seven Europeans (or something along those lines) are descended from Charlemagne. Given the state of Europe today, you wouldn't know it...


26 posted on 01/17/2006 9:26:28 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Lekker 1

Jefferson Smurfit is a BIG packaging company in the US. My brother-in-law is a chemist working for them.


27 posted on 01/17/2006 9:26:43 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Andy from Beaverton

LOL. Ron Jeremy rocks.


28 posted on 01/17/2006 9:27:13 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: NormsRevenge

The notion of me being distantly related to Kerry & Kennedy is revolting no matter how far back you go.


29 posted on 01/17/2006 9:28:02 AM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: Lekker 1; martin_fierro; Tijeras_Slim
PhD student Laoise Moore, at the Smurfit Institute of Genetics...

Not to be confused with the Smurfette Institute of Genetics.

30 posted on 01/17/2006 9:28:07 AM PST by TheBigB ("Pitts. has no chance indoors against Indy. NONE."~~maineman)
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To: NormsRevenge

How does this guy compare to Wilt Chamberlain?


31 posted on 01/17/2006 9:28:42 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: NormsRevenge
I've heard Gengis Khan was the uber Alpha Male.
32 posted on 01/17/2006 9:29:21 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: AntiGuv

"I'm pretty sure Noah and Adam were supposed to be Jewish, not Irish."


Legend has it that Jeremiah of the OT brought the daughters of Zedekiah to 'Ireland'. I have not read about any DNA testing done to discover the veracity of that legend. Would not be politically correct to consider that possibility.


33 posted on 01/17/2006 9:29:30 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: colorcountry

Good One!!


34 posted on 01/17/2006 9:30:02 AM PST by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Red Badger

I see. Good points!

There is absolutely nothing in genetic research to even remotely suggest even the most infinitesimal possibility of one-family bottleneck in human genetics within the timeframe that the mythical Noah and Adam would've lived.


35 posted on 01/17/2006 9:30:28 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Mr. Brightside
How does this guy compare to Wilt Chamberlain?

Probably MUCH shorter...and paler.

36 posted on 01/17/2006 9:30:29 AM PST by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: AntiGuv
"I'm pretty sure Noah and Adam were supposed to be Jewish, not Irish."

No... they were not Jewish, as they were Abraham's ascendants.

They were just run of the mill fokes.
37 posted on 01/17/2006 9:31:07 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: AntiGuv

"Jewish, not Irish?"

Haven't you ever heard of an Irish-Jew?

ya might want to read this
http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/regional_jews/ireland_jews/


38 posted on 01/17/2006 9:31:33 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: NormsRevenge
I figured this must be a story about Colin Farrell.


39 posted on 01/17/2006 9:32:15 AM PST by lainie
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To: TheBigB

I was really afraid to say anything....thanks. ;-)


40 posted on 01/17/2006 9:32:31 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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