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Groundbreaking Book: Science Shows Man Not an Ape

Posted on 12/21/2005 6:22:46 AM PST by truthfinder9

One of biggest paradigm shifts in origins in recent years is when genetics and morphological studies began to show that Neanderthals and humans weren’t related. Sure, a lot of Darwin Fundies around here don’t know that because they get all of their science from the talking point lists of their Fundamentalist Leaders. So this is probably a big shock too, science is also showing that man is not related to any hominids including apes.

In the groundbreaking book, Who was Adam?, biochemist Fazale Rana examines the scientific research that is overturning Darwinian Fundamentalism. Here, using peer-reviewed research that the Darwin Fundies claim doesn’t exist, Rana shows man is unique and designed.

And he details the latest findings on the fossil record, junk DNA, Neanderthals, human and chimp genetics. There's more science here than most Darwin Fundies have ever read, but this will be the next great paradigm shift.

“The parallels between Genesis and the latest scientific data are profound...” - John A. Bloom, Ph.D., professor of physics, Biola University

On Rana’s previous book, Origins of Life:

“Evolution has just been dealt its deathblow. After reading Origins of Life, it is clear that evolution could not have occurred.” - Richard Smalley, Nobel Laureate, Chemistry, 1996, professor of physics and astronomy, Rice University

Real science by real scientists. According to Darwin Fundies this doesn't exist, but here it is.


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To: bvw
No link at all between soul and body?

That's a theological question and I'm not a theologian.

421 posted on 12/21/2005 12:55:09 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker

No license to practise, eh? Sad that we have such governmental controls.


422 posted on 12/21/2005 12:57:32 PM PST by bvw
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To: Ichneumon
You beat me to it. Homo sapiens sapiens (us) and Homo sapiens neaderthalis were two subspecies of the same SPECIES, so closely related -- and to the scientists present, I apologize for the redundancy -- that they could interbreed.
423 posted on 12/21/2005 12:58:42 PM PST by Gulf War One
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To: Fester Chugabrew
All I know is that to assert humans aren't descended from Neanderthals is to bring the notion of "common descent" into question. No?

Nope. Humans, Neanderthals, and apes all have common decent. First a split occurred where the apes split off. Later on, there was another split between Humans and Neanderthals.

424 posted on 12/21/2005 1:01:14 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
All I know is that to assert humans aren't descended from Neanderthals is to bring the notion of "common descent" into question. No?

No. It is not clear why you would think that after all of the posts that have answered your previous questions.

Neanderthals and modern humans are related in the same sense that cousins are related - by a common ancestor.

425 posted on 12/21/2005 1:02:13 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: bobhoskins

4 indicates I'm above average! ;^)


426 posted on 12/21/2005 1:04:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
So then, what does "common descent" mean, if not some kind of relationship? I sense a semantic shell game here.

I am descended from my mother and father.

My sister is descended from my mother and father.

My sister is not descended from me, and I am not descended from her, but we are related.

I really cannot think of simpler words to explain the concept.

427 posted on 12/21/2005 1:05:00 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Gulf War One
You beat me to it. Homo sapiens sapiens (us) and Homo sapiens neaderthalis were two subspecies of the same SPECIES, so closely related -- and to the scientists present, I apologize for the redundancy -- that they could interbreed.

Could they produce fertile descendents? If they could, then they were the same species. If they could only produce "mules," i.e. sterile descendents, then they were different, though very closely related, species.

428 posted on 12/21/2005 1:05:21 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Tallguy

I think they'da stayed in trees. They DIDn't disappear.


429 posted on 12/21/2005 1:06:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Could they produce fertile descendents? If they could, then they were the same species.

Nitpick - but that is not necessarily true. Ring species are notable examples.

430 posted on 12/21/2005 1:07:38 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: truthfinder9

Who was Adam??

Adam was of the lineage of Lucy.


431 posted on 12/21/2005 1:07:57 PM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Slay Pinch)
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To: RogueIsland

Ain't guessin' fun!!!


432 posted on 12/21/2005 1:08:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: dmz

Nobody can tell if my spellling is rite wen I talk!!!!


433 posted on 12/21/2005 1:10:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Coyoteman

This looks like a chart from my dancing lesson days!


434 posted on 12/21/2005 1:11:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
I think they'da stayed in trees. They DIDn't disappear.

Probably one population stayed in the trees, while the other adapted to the grasslands. One population remained relatively unchanged, leading to some of the modern apes, while the other adapted and changed, leading to new species.

(This is one answer to the "why are there still apes" question.)

435 posted on 12/21/2005 1:11:54 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Elsie

With respect, Elsie... Have you ever seen the African savannah on any nature program? There's a tree here & there, absolutely. But that's a far cry from the jungle areas where the modern chimpanzees live.


436 posted on 12/21/2005 1:12:31 PM PST by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: Coyoteman

A closer look at your illustration is helpful in understanding the point. Thanks. The word "related" is what causes confusion. One can be descended from another, or not be descended from another, and still be "related" in either case. But there is a sense in which one can say humans and Neanderthals are "not related," namely in the sense of direct descent.


437 posted on 12/21/2005 1:13:37 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Tallguy

I've seen NO after the flood, and I really doubt that anyone will 'adapt' to live in what's there now; but will move to a location that is very similar to what they had before the weather change.

protoman would do the same.


438 posted on 12/21/2005 1:16:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
But there is a sense in which one can say humans and Neanderthals are "not related," namely in the sense of direct descent.

That appears correct. Neither Humans nor Neanderthals descended from the other.

I am glad I was able to help you with this point.

439 posted on 12/21/2005 1:16:43 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
But there is a sense in which one can say humans and Neanderthals are "not related," namely in the sense of direct descent.

The word "related" is relative. For example, living humans are all related by a common set of ancestors but we really only consider ourselves "related" to maybe those that are as far out as 2nd or 3rd cousins.

In the same way, scientist use the word in a relative sense when speaking informally. For example, a scientist may say that a koala bear is really a marsupial and not even related to bears. This is true in an informal way, but koalas and bears are related - just in a distant way.

440 posted on 12/21/2005 1:20:07 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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