Groundbreaking Book: Science Shows Man Not an Ape

[truthfinder9]

One of biggest paradigm shifts in origins in recent years is when genetics and morphological studies began to show that Neanderthals and humans weren’t related. Sure, a lot of Darwin Fundies around here don’t know that because they get all of their science from the talking point lists of their Fundamentalist Leaders. So this is probably a big shock too, science is also showing that man is not related to any hominids including apes.

In the groundbreaking book, Who was Adam?, biochemist Fazale Rana examines the scientific research that is overturning Darwinian Fundamentalism. Here, using peer-reviewed research that the Darwin Fundies claim doesn’t exist, Rana shows man is unique and designed.

And he details the latest findings on the fossil record, junk DNA, Neanderthals, human and chimp genetics. There's more science here than most Darwin Fundies have ever read, but this will be the next great paradigm shift.

“The parallels between Genesis and the latest scientific data are profound...” - John A. Bloom, Ph.D., professor of physics, Biola University

On Rana’s previous book, Origins of Life:

“Evolution has just been dealt its deathblow. After reading Origins of Life, it is clear that evolution could not have occurred.” - Richard Smalley, Nobel Laureate, Chemistry, 1996, professor of physics and astronomy, Rice University

Real science by real scientists. According to Darwin Fundies this doesn't exist, but here it is.

[add925]

Biola is an acronym for Bible Institute Of Los Angeles.

...and Lyola? ;^)

[Coyoteman]

I'll bet it was MUCH 'cooler' up in the trees!

Maybe the forests shrunk and the grasslands expanded. Kind of forces some changes.

[numberonepal]

Oh, now I see, you just replied to the wrong post. I'm no longer confused.

[ndt]

"Well, do you believe anything he said regarding the origin of species?"

Do I believe that all life that we know of on this planet is the result of common decent? yes

Do I believe that humans and apes are closely related and share a common ancestor going back somewhere in the range of 5-6 million years ago? yes

Do I believe that natural processes such as physics, mutation and natural selection are sufficient to describe the existence of the diversity of life forms we see around us without the need for supernatural intervention? yes

Do I think Darwin was infallible? no

If you want me to say yes or no regarding a specific item that Darwin said then please post something specific and I'll be happy to reply. Darwin lived a fairly long time and said a great number of things in that time.

[Non-Sequitur]

And he details the latest findings on the fossil record, junk DNA, Neanderthals, human and chimp genetics. There's more science here than most Darwin Fundies have ever read, but this will be the next great paradigm shift.

I think your paradigm shift just striped it's clutch.

[Elsie]

Talked to a porpoise lately?

Like this?

[Elsie]

I'll leave that excercize for his followers.... ;^)

[Elsie]

I'll leave that exercize for his followers.... ;^)

[Elsie]

 

I believe in God the Creator.

 

Me too!

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NIV Deuteronomy 4:32
  Ask now about the former days, long before your time, from the day God created man on the earth; ask from one end of the heavens to the other. Has anything so great as this ever happened, or has anything like it ever been heard of?

 

NIV Psalms 89:47
  Remember how fleeting is my life. For what futility you have created all men!

 

NIV Psalms 104:30
  When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.

 

NIV Psalms 139:13
  For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

 

NIV Psalms 148:4-5
 4.  Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies.
 5.  Let them praise the name of the LORD, for he commanded and they were created.

 

NIV Isaiah 40:26
   Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name.

 

NIV Isaiah 41:19-20
 19.  I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together,
 20.  so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the LORD has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.

 

NIV Isaiah 42:5-6
 5.  This is what God the LORD says-- he who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it:
 6.  "I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand.

 

NIV Isaiah 43:1
  But now, this is what the LORD says-- he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine.

 

NIV Isaiah 43:6-7
 6.  I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth--
 7.  everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made."

 

NIV Isaiah 45:7-8
 7.  I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and  create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
 8.  "You heavens above, rain down righteousness; let the clouds shower it down. Let the earth open wide, let salvation spring up, let righteousness grow with it; I, the LORD, have created it.

 

NIV Isaiah 45:12
  It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.

 

NIV Isaiah 45:18
  For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-- he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other."

 

NIV Isaiah 54:16-17
 16.  "See, it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its work. And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc;
 17.  no weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and this is their vindication from me,"  declares the LORD.

 

NIV Isaiah 57:16
  I will not accuse forever, nor will I always be angry, for then the spirit of man would grow faint before me-- the breath of man that I have created.

 

NIV Isaiah 65:17-18
 17.  "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
 18.  But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy.

 

NIV Ezekiel 28:13-15
 13.  You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire,  turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings  were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.
 14.  You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.
 15.  You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.

 

NIV Malachi 2:10
  Have we not all one Father ? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?

 

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NIV Matthew 13:35
  So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: "I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."

 

NIV Matthew 25:34
  "Then the King will say to those on his right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

 

NIV Mark 10:6
   "But at the beginning of creation God `made them male and female.'   (Not umpteen eons later; after lots of Evolution takes place!)

 

NIV Mark 13:18-19
 18.  Pray that this will not take place in winter,
 19.  because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again.

 

NIV Romans 1:20
  For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

 

NIV Romans 1:25
  They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

 

NIV Romans 8:20-22
 20.  For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope
 21.  that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
 22.  We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 11:8-9
 8.  For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
 9.  neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

 

NIV Ephesians 3:8-9
 8.  Although I am less than the least of all God's people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
 9.  and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.

 

NIV Colossians 1:16-17
 16.  For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
 17.  He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

 

NIV 1 Timothy 4:4-5
 4.  For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
 5.  because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

 

NIV Hebrews 4:13
  Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

 

NIV Hebrews 9:11
  When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,  he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.

 

NIV Hebrews 9:26
  Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world.

 

NIV Hebrews 12:26-29
 26.  At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens."
 27.  The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is, created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain.
 28.  Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,
 29.  for our "God is a consuming fire."

 

NIV 2 Peter 3:4
   They will say, "Where is this `coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

 

NIV Revelation 4:11
  "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."

 

NIV Revelation 10:6
  And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

 

NIV Revelation 13:8
  All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

 

NIV Revelation 17:8
  The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

[bobhoskins]

AH, but my missspelling was intentional to catch pedants; my comments on the original "missspellling" was to applaud the use of descent in place of decent, which was funny as this thread mentions evolution and the whole common descent debate.

However, to continue this thread, your tagline:

(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)

contains an improper number of "dots" for ellipsis (3 is the standard).

Now its you're turn, to find sumthing wrong in my post!!

[Strategerist]

Does everyone who believes E=mc2 "worship" Einstein?

[bobhoskins]

Does everyone who believes E=mc2 "worship" Einstein?

Other than the ritualistic sacrifices and the Tuesday meetings?

No.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Folks who are really interested in this subject should read Dr. Rana's article here.

It reminds me of the debate in cosmology over the big bang. The Bible was correct. The steady-state model has since been discredited.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

NIV Psalms 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

There we go... Now, granted, these words are David's not God's, per se... But we know, scientifically, how a baby is created and formed in the mother's womb. We know it is not God putting the baby together, part by part. Rather, God created the process by which a Baby is "knit together."

It is similar with evolution. The exact process of evolution is not understood as well as the process by which a baby is created and develops in his mother's womb. But the God-as-Potter process of evolution, but the God-created (and maybe sometimes manipulated) process is there.

[Porterville]

I came from a line of cromagnon... Neanderthals were on a different branch, along with the monkeys and apes. I learned this in like 6th grade... what is the argument?

[ReignOfError]

When it comes to the origin of matter (or the origin of life itself) - the foundation of all theories of origin - Orthodox Darwinists are stuck with "duh, we don't know".

So the Darwinists are in the same boat with the engineers, baseball umpires, orchestra conductors, podiatrists and traffic cops. Their field of expertise does not include the origins of the universe.

Evolutionary theory does not answer the question of the origins of matter because that's not what it's about. When a child asks his mother where babies come from, it's not a cosmological question.

Evolutionists find themselves in the same boat as those that believe in a designer - something existed forever or something sprang forth from nothing - both are miracles (supernatural based on our current knowledge of the natural)

Either supernatural, or just beyond the scope of our current knowledge. Some people who believe in the account in Genesis -- and I am not extrapolating this out to all ID supporters or even all creationists -- seem to believe that because their account of creation answers everything, that is a necessary feature of any theory of human origins. It isn't.

[newcats]

Please check the definition of the word fact, and come back with verifiable proof of your so called FACTS.
Until then...Good day to you sir.

[add925]

Uhhh, which original post are you Moonbatting against?

You do know how to use copy & paste don't you?

[Fester Chugabrew]

So then, what does "common descent" mean, if not some kind of relationship? I sense a semantic shell game here.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

"Public School Fact:
"Religious Student doesn't believe in Darwinism = F in class"

You are not graded on your belief or disbelief; you are graded on your understanding of the material presented. I do not, for example, believe in Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, but I did get a A- in a Comparative Near Eastern Religion class I took in 1993, as I was able to identify the critical elements of each of those religions' beliefs. A religious student who correctly identifies the critical features of the theory of evolution (random mutation plus natural selection eventually equals speciation) on the test passes the test.

"Atheist Student doesn't believe in Religion, subscribes to Darwinism = A in class"

Again, not demonstrated. An atheist who does not do his homework and misstates critical elements of the theory of evolution on his biology exam fails the test.

"Religious descrimination at its worst."

It isn't, for the reasons described above.

"Sending kids to public schools will guarantee religious discrimination...take the hint."

Filing a lawsuit on this basis will be correctly identified as vexatious litigation, and will result in the plaintiff getting to pay sanctions...take the hint.