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LIVE THREAD - UPDATE: TOOKIE WILLIAMS EXECUTED
Fox news
| Dec 12, 2005
Posted on 12/12/2005 10:45:34 AM PST by commish
Gov. Shwarzeneggar expected to make announcement on Tookie Williams Execution Clemency shortly according to Fox News.
TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ahhhnuld; black; clemency; deathpenalty; freyhim; frymumia; frytookie; governator; injecthim; joinarnold; nananana; nobreakfastfortookie; schwarzenegger; schwarzenrino; stanleywilliams; stanwilliams; terminator; thanksarnold; tookie; tookielive; tookiewilliams
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To: boomop1
He is waiting for Rush to be over. Then he was waiting for a Best of Rush show to be over.
To: Jigsaw John
And the media seems to be salivating for riots.
To: DirtyHarryY2K
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posted on
12/12/2005 11:59:57 AM PST
by
add925
(The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
To: commish
Yes, I'd figure since Rush Limbaugh is in a "Best of" mode today, I'll relunctantly turn on the telly for the announcement. Reminds me why I usually have it off. ;-)
Now I have local (SF Bay Area) news on now.
424
posted on
12/12/2005 12:00:04 PM PST
by
CounterCounterCulture
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To: codercpc
What's that song..*This is how we do it*
L.A grew up there before it turned into an extension of the 3rd world...
They might riot but no body complains until it leaves South Central.
425
posted on
12/12/2005 12:00:23 PM PST
by
laney
(Merry Christmas Freepers!)
To: Ichneumon; MineralMan
Yes, that is one of the most ridiculous notions for belief in God that I have ever seen. When I was in philosophy class when I was in college, I was aghast when I heard that argument (and immediately lost a good deal of respect for Pascal).
I have over the years, come to believe in God (gone from athiest to agnostic to the doorstep of Christianity). It is my belief that anyone who uses such a souless approach really doesn't understand what faith is!
And MineralMan, though you and I disagree 90% on the topic of religion I have complete respect for you. You are someone who is at peace with himself and the world, and if there is a God you have nothing to fear :). If there isn't then you've left the world a better place by visiting, and that's all anyone can ask for in this life. Your arguments are always respectful towards the views of others, and I cannot say the same for some of those who argue against you.
But as for the anti-death penalty arguments you've made, I think you are completely out of touch ;)
426
posted on
12/12/2005 12:00:26 PM PST
by
rom
To: conservativebabe
And when they riot, they don't care who they put out of business or hurt. They are taking it to The Man. They don't even know what they are rioting for or what sparked it, they are just taking back what's theirs from The Man.
427
posted on
12/12/2005 12:02:15 PM PST
by
WV Mountain Mama
(Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel Shall come to thee, O Israel.)
To: doug from upland
"But it is you who is setting the conditions of immediacy. Why do you get to set those conditions? To support your position? The state sets conditions for which cases qualify for the death penalty. Those aren't as valid as yours? "
Doug...immediacy is immediacy. My opionion is my opinion. The state does what it does with the consent of the governed, at least on principal.
I'm setting no conditions on the state. I'm merely detailing my own ethical beliefs regarding the death penalty.
Some states execute. Some do not. The difference is in the will of that state's citizenry.
Do you agree with everything your state does? I know that you do not. That does not mean that you deny their authority to carry out the laws of that state. Nor do I.
I'm speaking only about my personal beliefs. The State of California will do what it does according to its laws. I will do as I do, based on my personal ethics. There is a major difference between the two entities. I am not the state, but merely one citizen of it.
428
posted on
12/12/2005 12:02:20 PM PST
by
MineralMan
(godless atheist)
To: Vaquero
Bring out Ol' Sparky. Crank her up to ohhhh...5 kazillions volts shall we say?
429
posted on
12/12/2005 12:02:24 PM PST
by
confederate_infidel
(Tunafish: tastes like <insert endangered animal here>)
To: hattend
Now I have a big problem with that. To me these death by lethal injections are way too lenient on these criminals. I would rather have them in conditions that would make them wish for death but is denied.
430
posted on
12/12/2005 12:02:30 PM PST
by
xp38
To: MineralMan
Actually there is no need to argue the point biblically, pure logic will do.
Society either has the right and obligation to punish wrongdoer's or it doesn't. If it doesn't have that right, then you are arguing for anarchy, since if disobeying the law has no consequence then there is no law.
If society has that right, it also has the right to determine the type of punishment dealt out for any particular offense up to and including the ultimate punishment.
To: gondramB
I think it is the mindset that "If you do not own it, who cares?" but, to be honest, I do not understand it either. The poor police officers and fire fighters are at tremendous risk--not to mention the innocent bystanders.
432
posted on
12/12/2005 12:02:56 PM PST
by
babaloo
To: Maceman
he won't go for clemency because he can't pronounce it.
I think it would not be difficult to say that he will do nothing becayse the courts have already spoken....
433
posted on
12/12/2005 12:03:20 PM PST
by
InsureAmerica
(Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
To: doug from upland
Fox News report....Jesse Jackson compared Tookie to Nelson Mandela, Malcom X and even Moses!
434
posted on
12/12/2005 12:03:28 PM PST
by
Chena
(I'm not young enough to know everything.)
To: Mom MD
If Jesus didn't believe in the death penalty, then why did He pay it for us? I never heard it put that way, but your analysis is right on!
435
posted on
12/12/2005 12:03:37 PM PST
by
infidel29
("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
To: Mad_as_heck
I won't rest till Carl Weathers is the governor of some state.
436
posted on
12/12/2005 12:03:51 PM PST
by
LanPB01
To: confederate_infidel
5 kazillions volts shall we say? It's the current (amps) that kills, not the voltage.
437
posted on
12/12/2005 12:03:55 PM PST
by
TChris
("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
To: Chena
Then he is truly stark-raving mad.
438
posted on
12/12/2005 12:04:01 PM PST
by
CaptRon
(Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
To: BulletBobCo
I hope that Arnold makes that phone call to the death chamber at the last minute......and tells Tookie that he just saved himself alot of money on his car insurance by switching to...... I just about burst out loud laughing on that one ...
To: Avenger
"Seriously, why are you an atheist rather than an agnostic? Since it is impossible to scientifically prove the non-existence of a god it seems to me that agnosticism is the most rational position.
"
It's a long story, and not appropriate for this thread, really.
Many are agnostics. I find that position to be untenable. I cannot prove the non-existence of any deity. Neither can believers prove the existence. I simply find myself unable to believe in the existence of the supernatural. So, I don't believe that any deities exist. It's quite simple, and quite logical, from my personal perspective. Others' perspectives may differ.
440
posted on
12/12/2005 12:04:38 PM PST
by
MineralMan
(godless atheist)
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