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Dung Reveals Dinosaurs Ate Grass
LiveScience/Yahoo ^ | 11/17/05 | Bjorn Carey

Posted on 11/17/2005 4:01:41 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy

Grass existed on Earth at least 10 million years earlier than was known, based on a new discovery in fossilized dinosaur dung.

It's also the first solid evidence that some dinosaurs ate grass.

While dissecting fossilized droppings, known as coprolites, researchers found tiny silica structures called phytoliths. They are short, rigid cells that provide support to a plant. This type is found exclusively in grasses.

The discovery shows that five types of grass related to modern varieties were present in the Gondwana region of the Indian subcontinent during the late Cretaceous period about 71 to 65 million years ago.

Museum redux

Before this discovery, 55 million-year-old grass reproductive structures discovered in Tennessee were the oldest grass fossils on record. 70 million-year-old grass pollen has been discovered in Egypt.

“But pollen are somewhat ambiguous,” study co-author Caroline Stromberg of the Swedish Museum of Natural History told LiveScience. “They could also be from a plant closely related to grasses.”

This discovery could also cause a major shake-up in dinosaur dioramas around the world.

Until now there was no firm evidence that dinosaurs and grasses coexisted, so scientists assumed that herbivorous dinosaurs ate mostly trees, ferns, flowering plants and cycads.

The droppings most likely came from titanosaur sauropods which weighed more than 100 tons and were the heaviest creatures to ever walk the Earth. Although scientists knew from the shape of their teeth that titanosaurs were plant eaters, this is the first proof that dinosaurs snacked on grass.

Other grass eaters?

Not only does this finding call for a reconsideration of dinosaur diets, but for early mammals as well. Many fossilized mammals from the Gondwana region had teeth that could have been used for grazing on grass.

Most grasses grow in dry upland areas where plants seldom fossilize because of degrading chemical processes in the soil. However, based on this new finding, Stromberg believes that grass had spread to the Gondwana region before India became geographically isolated 80 million years ago.

Examinations on the distribution of living grasses around the world point to South American origin, although many scientists believe that grasses may have been widespread before the continents split apart.

The discovery is detailed in the Nov. 18 issue of the journal Science.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coprolite; coprolites; dinosaur; dinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; india; paleontology; titanosaur; toomuchinformation
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To: mlc9852
I know it's not available now which is why I phrased it as When it's available.. but that's a minor point. Do you fly on airplanes? use a computer? receive regular medical and dental care? own a microwave? All of these things undependable science has made available to you.

Your complaint against sciense is not supported by your buying history.

61 posted on 11/17/2005 6:05:19 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: muir_redwoods
There are different branches of science, aren't there? The person who invented the microwave didn't necessarily believe he descended from an ape-like creature. I love science. It's just scientists I have a problem with.
62 posted on 11/17/2005 6:07:05 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

How do they make a vaccine anyway? First, isn't the flu caused by a virus,which you can't defend against much anyway, and there are so many viruses, which one do they pick? Do they give you a live one, thus giving you the flu in the first place? Then it mutates, so the vaccine is useless. Some vaccines may work, and some may not. But you can get a useless dose of mercury and whatever brew they have mixed up in it and make some drug company rich. Just frequent hand washing is the most advised best method.


63 posted on 11/17/2005 6:07:49 PM PST by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: zeeba neighba

Very true. Hand-washing and staying away from sick people.


64 posted on 11/17/2005 6:09:22 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: zeeba neighba

Actually, frequent hand washing with antibacterial soap can be bad for you. The 1% of bacteria that aren't killed, have a resistance to the soap, and they will grow with impunity. Make sure you wash with regular soap.


65 posted on 11/17/2005 6:10:45 PM PST by Quick1
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To: muir_redwoods
I know it's not available now which is why I phrased it as When it's available.. but that's a minor point. Do you fly on airplanes? use a computer? receive regular medical and dental care? own a microwave? All of these things undependable science has made available to you.

There is science and then there is science. I can prove a microwave heats dinner every day. I can stand by the airport and watch planes take off and know that works.

On the other hand, will mankind ever know how long grass has been growing on this planet?

No!
66 posted on 11/17/2005 6:21:57 PM PST by microgood
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To: Servant of the 9
Christianity is not in any way singular, I deal with it as I do with all Near Eastern mystery religions, from Mithraism to Islam. They are for the credulous and the insecure.

Religion (and Philosophy) is also for seekers of the truth...As we know, science is never about truth or reality, since no scientific theory can ever be proven to be true; theories can only be useful or useless.
67 posted on 11/17/2005 6:27:54 PM PST by microgood
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To: mlc9852

Nope. Never said he was, either.


68 posted on 11/17/2005 8:37:20 PM PST by Thumper1960 ("There is no 'tolerance', there are only changing fashions in intolerance." - 'The Western Standard')
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To: mlc9852
Uh oh.....

A smug non-believer, as it were.

69 posted on 11/17/2005 8:39:31 PM PST by Thumper1960 ("There is no 'tolerance', there are only changing fashions in intolerance." - 'The Western Standard')
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

>> "...some dinosaurs ate grass."
> But, did they smoke it too?

Pass dee dung-ie on dee left-hand side.


70 posted on 11/17/2005 8:42:58 PM PST by XEHRpa
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To: microgood

Wow, I guess it is true that time goes by more quickly the older you get.


71 posted on 11/17/2005 8:43:24 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Servant of the 9
Not to be confused with the pompous and obnoxious, who assume they understand everything.
72 posted on 11/17/2005 8:46:07 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: microgood
"On the other hand, will mankind ever know how long grass has been growing on this planet?"

No!

I leave it to you and your inestimable grasp of logical principles to begin the proof of the negative. Good luck.

73 posted on 11/18/2005 2:24:46 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Damn, I ate grass a few times in college. Hope no one finds my fossilized feces.


74 posted on 11/18/2005 2:29:02 AM PST by Casloy
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Thanks Nasty McPhilthy.

Note: this topic is from 11/17/2005.

Blast from the Past.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


75 posted on 11/05/2011 8:51:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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