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This is why we need to make new rules that make divorce more difficult and keep marriages together. We need to do it for the children.
1 posted on 11/08/2005 8:01:15 AM PST by TBP
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I don't know.

I recoil every time somebody says "We need to do it for the children" - that's the cover for all sorts of statist michief.

Personally, I'd rather see marriages harder to get *into*. Make people think about what they're doing before the fact rather than keep them in a bad situation after the fact. I don't think that's very good for children, either.


2 posted on 11/08/2005 8:04:11 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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Whom / or Who?......


3 posted on 11/08/2005 8:04:41 AM PST by Red Badger (Whatever happened to formulas 1 through 408?.........)
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I know some folks that were the products of marriages that stayed together "for the children", growing up in a war zone left them with deep emotional scars and serious commitment issues. I think the punchline is that bad marriages are bad for children whether they divorce or not.


4 posted on 11/08/2005 8:07:19 AM PST by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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Actually, there is no reason to GET MARRIED unless you want to have children. Why is there a need for 2 grown widows to be married???


5 posted on 11/08/2005 8:07:23 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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bump.
11 posted on 11/08/2005 8:14:05 AM PST by Jason_b
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What I DO NOT UNDERSTAND....is getting divorced, and then saying...."but, we're still friends." If you're friends, STAY MARRIED. (I got divorced, and HE was NOT ever MY friend.)

Also, I like Dr. Laura's rules.....only 3 reasons for divorce.....ABUSE, ADDICTION (Uncured), and ADULTERY.


12 posted on 11/08/2005 8:15:25 AM PST by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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I'm going to hazard a guess and say that divorce is good for sleazy attorneys and state agencies in charge of collecting and disbursing child support and alimony.

And no one else.

13 posted on 11/08/2005 8:16:38 AM PST by Malacoda (Islam = deranged, evil suicide cult)
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Lawyers


18 posted on 11/08/2005 8:18:54 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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I believe the sacrifices that kept our grandparents in marriage don't exist today.

Womens Lib has taught young women that men are expendable and Bill Clinton showed young men that infidelity towards your wife is no big deal. The joke 90% of all divorce is caused by marriage is almost true.

When values, morals, principles, virtues, accountability, responsibility, faith, reliability and commitment don't exist in a relationship it will be the end of marriage as we have ever known it.

Love is grand Divorce is a $ hundred grand.

24 posted on 11/08/2005 8:24:18 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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later pingout.


38 posted on 11/08/2005 8:33:57 AM PST by little jeremiah
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My husband and I were married in June, but our church recently held a "covenant marriage" ceremony that we participated in. In the state of AZ, Christians (or anyone, for that matter) can chose to get a covenant marriage license that makes it much more difficult to get a divorce. (i.e. you can't divorce because of "irreconcilable differences.") It has to be abuse, abandonment, adultery, and there are a few other exceptions. I think if you are in a state with a convenant marriage license, you should think about converting it! Make a statement that you take marriage seriously!
39 posted on 11/08/2005 8:35:04 AM PST by arizonarachel (finally married...to F7OShawn...)
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Is it pretty generally accepted among believing Christians that alcoholism is grounds for divorce when the addict refuses to get help? I am struggling with this issue right now, and I want to do what's best for our two-year-old daughter.


45 posted on 11/08/2005 8:43:54 AM PST by MissNomer (This space intentionally left blank)
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Matthew 19:6-9


53 posted on 11/08/2005 8:54:49 AM PST by RabidBartender
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This is some wisdom from Dennis Prager (oft quoted by Freeps)

source: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0405/prager_same_sex_marriage.php3

One of the most frequently offered arguments by proponents of same-sex marriage is that it is not gays wanting to marry a member of the same sex that threatens the institution of marriage, it is the high divorce rate among heterosexuals.

One reason this argument is so often made is that it appeals to the religious as well as the secular, to conservatives as well as liberals.

This is too bad, because the argument is a meaningless non sequitur.

First, while divorce ends a given marriage, it does not threaten marriage as an institution. Of course, many marriages fail and end in divorce — while some other marriages fail and do not end in divorce — but why does this threaten marriage as an institution?

To understand the foolishness of the argument "divorce threatens marriage," let's apply this principle to other areas of life. Let's begin with parenthood. It is undeniable that vast numbers of people fail — and have always failed — as parents.

Yet, no one argues that the many parents who fail to raise good children threaten the institution of parenthood. Why, then, do marriages that fail threaten the institution of marriage?

Likewise, few people are calling for the redefinition of parenthood because parents so often fail to raise good children. Why, then, redefine marriage because many marriages fail?

When we think of parents failing, we think of ways to improve parenting, and we discourage people from becoming parents before they are ready. Why, then, don't we do the same regarding divorce — think of ways to improve marriages and discourage people from marrying before they are ready? Why must we radically redefine it? That redefinition is what threatens marriage.

There is a second reason the divorce-rate-threatens-marriage argument is disingenuous: If gays marry, they will divorce at least as often as heterosexuals do. That is why the divorce issue is entirely unrelated to the question of whether we should redefine marriage. The only reason the argument is even offered is because gullible people will buy it. The gullible include well-intentioned centrist Americans who think, "Hey, that's a good point. Straights sure haven't done such a great job with marriage; why not let gays have a crack at it?" And the gullible include well-intentioned religious Americans whose loathing of divorce overwhelms their critical thinking.

A third flaw in the argument is that it presupposes that every divorce constitutes a failure of a couple's marriage. Sometimes this is true; sometimes it is not. I know a couple married for 30 years who made a beautiful home for their three now-married children. The couple divorced last year because they had both concluded that they had drifted too far apart to continue living together in any meaningful way (one aspect of the drift was one partner's increasing devotion to religion and the other's decreasing interest in it).

Who has the hubris to call their marriage a failure? Their children surely don't think their parents' marriage was a failure. It produced three wonderful married adults, and it provided them a beautiful and loving home in which to grow up. One can only wish all marriages so "failed."

It is simplistic to maintain that the one criterion of success or failure in marriage is permanence. There are marriages that provided years of comfort to a couple and a fine home to their children that eventually end; and there are permanent marriages that have provided neither comfort to the couple nor a loving environment for their children. If the end of something renders it a failure, every one of our lives is a failure, since they all come to an end.

Finally, marriage is threatened not by divorce, but by people not marrying in the first place — as is increasingly the case in the two European societies that have redefined marriage to include couples of the same sex. Our present high divorce rate is not stopping the vast majority of Americans from wanting to marry. Nor should it.

Nothing provides the antidote to narcissism, or the environment for the healthy raising of children, or the way for people to take care of one another, as does the marriage of a man and a woman. And while most divorces are terribly sad, divorce itself no more undermines the institution of marriage than car crashes undermine the institution of driving. In fact, the vast majority of people who do divorce deeply wish to marry again; painful divorce has not undermined marriage even among those who have divorced.


54 posted on 11/08/2005 8:54:59 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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In 2002, The Washington Post Magazine featured a cover story about Eli and Debbie, a handsome, smiling, divorced couple with three preteen daughters. Although their marriage was, according to Debbie, "all in all, an incredibly functional" one, they divorced when she became troubled by their "lack of connection."

In other words, he was a perfectly good husband but she aspired for more, buying into a sense of entitlement that "Prince Charming" is always around the corner.

And people wonder why I have looked outside the United States for a spouse.

67 posted on 11/08/2005 9:08:34 AM PST by Drew68
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Unless there is abuse, REAL ABUSE... divorce, while you have kids in the home, is not justified. The impact divorce has on kids is inalienable and undeniable.

And frankly, with the soul exception of true abuse, it is nothing more than selfishness, by one or both adults.


72 posted on 11/08/2005 9:13:04 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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Marriage is about obligation and responsibility. Not what you hear from the liberal crowd, that think that marriage should be terminated when it just isn't fun anymore.

And the lefties promoting gay marriage think marriage is about access to government programs and corporate benefits, additional rights, and more things to sue over.

Grow up liberals, get your head out of your butt and start acting like adults.

Well, yes, that would never happen, but the problem is the self-centered entitlement "me generation". It's disgusting, and these people have practically taken civilization down by themselves.
73 posted on 11/08/2005 9:15:11 AM PST by Fido969 ("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).)
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Complete and utter BS!
74 posted on 11/08/2005 9:15:58 AM PST by JZelle
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If we're going to make divorce more difficult, we need to make getting married more difficult as well. For decades a large percentage of couples have entered into matrimony with all the commitment of high school sweethearts deciding to go steady.

Bring back the dowry!

86 posted on 11/08/2005 9:31:04 AM PST by Chunga (Mock The Left)
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This is why we need to make new rules that make divorce more difficult and keep marriages together. We need to do it for the children.

What we really need is more privately-sponsored and available pre-marital education -- from churches and synagogues especially. We need couples mentoring within congregations by older, successful married people to newlyweds and new parents. We need more research and development into compatibility screening methods. It's not enough to try to close the barn door. I am also in favor of parental licensing. Children would not be illegitimate, but their parents could be.

89 posted on 11/08/2005 9:38:09 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush)
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