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Just Whom Is This Divorce 'Good' For?
Washington Post ^ | Sunday, November 6, 2005 | Elizabeth Marquardt

Posted on 11/08/2005 8:01:14 AM PST by TBP

Before the divorce rate began its inexorable rise in the late 1960s, the common wisdom had been that, where children are concerned, divorce itself is a problem. But as it became widespread -- peaking at almost one in two first marriages in the mid-1980s -- popular thinking morphed into a new, adult-friendly idea: It's not the act of divorcing that's the problem, but simply the way that parents handle it.

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KEYWORDS: boredom; butimbored; butiwant; butshenags; children; divorce; forthechildren; itsallaboutme; liberalism; liberals; mustfornicate; selfishness; sickinthehead
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To: wallcrawlr

:) Than you, that is what I meant...Just like my prior neighbors married 25 years going to church every sunday while the husband is trying to get me in the sack..Hmmm He is lucky I never told his wife, she thought the sun rose and sat on him and I surely did not want to burst her fantasy bubble...


81 posted on 11/08/2005 9:23:07 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: MissNomer

Daughters need daddy's just as much if not more than son's. I cannot speak to the church's view on the topic.

I can say the bible is quite clear that if you see someone who commits sin, and you say nothing to them, their sin will be held against you. However if you inform the sinner of their sin, and they continue on the path anyway you are absolved of responsibility for their sins.

I believe that alcoholism, as with other addictions can lead to abuse and neglect, and that is definately where I draw the line. On the other hand, generations of folks grew up in homes with alcoholics and became fine upstanding citizens. My Grandfather's wife raised 5 kids with an alcoholic husband, and divorced him only after the last one was out of the house, and they are all great people.

If hubby's behavior is at a point where it could bring down the family, then something has to give. If it is not however, even though it is not obviously ideal to have an alcoholic parent... the statistics on children with no father in their day to day lives (living under the same roof) are astoundingly clear.


82 posted on 11/08/2005 9:24:39 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: highball
"Personally, I'd rather see marriages harder to get *into*."

Me, too. I heard a relationship "expert" on the radio say: "The problem is not that there are too many divorces, the problem is that there are too many marriages."

83 posted on 11/08/2005 9:26:22 AM PST by manwiththehands ("They wanted a Harley, they got a Scooter Libby." -Don Surber)
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To: Drew68

You can also be prepared to inherit your spouse's debts anything they do not pay for, believe you me..YOU WILL...

I use to work in Human Resources and had to take out mandatory child support payment on women who had husbands that were in the rears for children from a husbands prior wife...


84 posted on 11/08/2005 9:27:39 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: ConservativeMind
For Christians, there is only one thing people cannot do outside of marriage in the eyes of God and that is to have sex.

Well not exactly. Among the recently divorced men in my town, the first place to go to get some action is some mega churches singles night.

85 posted on 11/08/2005 9:28:13 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: TBP
If we're going to make divorce more difficult, we need to make getting married more difficult as well. For decades a large percentage of couples have entered into matrimony with all the commitment of high school sweethearts deciding to go steady.

Bring back the dowry!

86 posted on 11/08/2005 9:31:04 AM PST by Chunga (Mock The Left)
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To: Chunga

My father-in law was married until his wife left him for some other man he is now married to my husbands mother and he has to pay his ex a 1000.00 a month (Forever) from his military retirement and she plans never marrying again because if she did she would loose his money...This is fair?


87 posted on 11/08/2005 9:34:04 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: HamiltonJay
Unless there is abuse, REAL ABUSE... divorce, while you have kids in the home, is not justified. The impact divorce has on kids is inalienable and undeniable.

What about adultery? In addition, there are some marriages that become so toxic emotionally that staying together is actually harmful for the children.

88 posted on 11/08/2005 9:37:13 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: TBP
This is why we need to make new rules that make divorce more difficult and keep marriages together. We need to do it for the children.

What we really need is more privately-sponsored and available pre-marital education -- from churches and synagogues especially. We need couples mentoring within congregations by older, successful married people to newlyweds and new parents. We need more research and development into compatibility screening methods. It's not enough to try to close the barn door. I am also in favor of parental licensing. Children would not be illegitimate, but their parents could be.

89 posted on 11/08/2005 9:38:09 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush)
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To: timsbella
In fact, the vast majority of people who do divorce deeply wish to marry again; painful divorce has not undermined marriage even among those who have divorced.

Ask Elizabeth Taylor. She was married 8 times before she gave up.

90 posted on 11/08/2005 9:39:05 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Palestine is the cancer; Israel is the cure!)
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To: joesbucks
Attempting to point out hypocrisy among some divorced guys trying to get some action on singles night at a megachurch isn't refutation of Christianity's precepts concerning God's commandments about marriage.

If mockery isn't pertinent it's inane.

91 posted on 11/08/2005 9:39:36 AM PST by Chunga (Mock The Left)
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To: laney
I think that if you are committed to a person and have confessed to GOD that this is the person you want to be with then no legal marraige is needed, if I am wrong I will take GOD's punishment.

Get ready for a big smackdown.

92 posted on 11/08/2005 9:39:45 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush)
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To: laney
I want to be very clear: THOSE SITUATIONS ARE NOT WHAT I AM REFERING TO. Those situations are an abomination, and are NOT real marriages.

You are absolutely correct about relationships like that. Those people should not, under any circumstances, have to stay together. And there is no doubt that sometimes people did. In fact, I think for Christians the Bible is clear that is not something one has to endure.

But I also believe that there is an IDEAL that we have strayed from and we use bad situations as an excuse.

Let me use this as an example: While it is true that many of us would not fault a woman for terminating a pregnancy that resulted from rape, that is the exception rather than the rule. Yet that situation is used to justify all of those abortions that are a matter of convenience, because the pregnancy was a result of a bad decision.

Let me put it another way—I know of some women who divorce because of abuse. But I know a lot more women who divorce because they were bored, or disappointed or wanted to find "something better." Most divorces happen because people decide at some point, however passively, that their own "needs" are more important than anyone else's. That is not always true, but it is true more often than not.

I am no way wanting to dissect other people's decisions here. I am not in those situations specifically so I have no bearing on the choices others make.

What I am trying to say is that there is a function, or role that marriage has to play in society at large. It is NOT just a personal decision, but rather a PUBLIC decision. As a result, marriage strengthens the fabric of society. Divorce weakens that fabric..not just the lives of the people directly involved.
93 posted on 11/08/2005 9:41:23 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Albion Wilde

Your opinion...GOD does not like hypocrites....
I am a Christian I love GOD with all my heart, but I will be damned if I am going to be a Hypocrite Holier than Thou Christian which are in the THOUSANDS and be a Amy Mc Pherson type...
But then again I believe JESUS was for the sinner not the arrogant Holier than Thou types...


94 posted on 11/08/2005 9:43:31 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: Chunga
First it isn't mockery on my behalf. Secondly, I believe in the commandments.

The mockery is occuring at the mega church among the "believers". Don't know what it is, but among those who have gone through divorce, mega church singles nite is like "Saints Gone Wild". The saved and recenlty single women are easier than going to a bar. Again, from what I've been told among both secular and saved men.

I know of one pastor at a mega church who discussed this with me and he was ashamed of what was going on, but he was down the pecking order on the from the top minister and he was told basically to be quiet or move on.

95 posted on 11/08/2005 9:44:32 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: Palisades
True, but being that Christians in this state really pushed for these to be an option, I think it's important that those of us who believe in marriage as a life long covenant should have these types of licenses.
96 posted on 11/08/2005 9:45:28 AM PST by arizonarachel (finally married...to F7OShawn...)
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To: laney

No it's not fair.


97 posted on 11/08/2005 9:45:35 AM PST by Chunga (Mock The Left)
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To: arizonarachel
True, but being that Christians in this state really pushed for these to be an option, I think it's important that those of us who believe in marriage as a life long covenant should have these types of licenses.

They're purely voluntary, so I really don't have any problems with them. I just don't think they really do much, as the people who are willing to enter into them are also probably the type of people who are less likely to divorce in the first place.

98 posted on 11/08/2005 9:47:35 AM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: LWalk18

You show me one statistic, one study, that shows conclusively that children are better off from a broken home because the two parents could not be adult enough around their children to control their "emotional toxin"...

Folks who are like that, are so selfish they are not going to raise those children any better apart than they do together.

As to habitual adultery, while I wholey condemn it, does not make an argument that divorce is the better path when children are involved.

Again, selfishness is the heart of most divorce, on one or both sides. If you have no kids, do whatever you want... but once you bring a child into this world, that/those children are now the priority of your life. Other than REAL ABUSE or NEGLECT there is no justifiable reason to divorce until the children are out of the house.

Life isn't about getting what you want, sometimes you have to sacrifice for the betterment of those around you. I know such a concept is foreign to the selfish, instant gratification lifestyle that Madison Avenue sells hard.. but its the truth.


99 posted on 11/08/2005 9:47:49 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: pollyannaish

I agree..TOTALLY..
I remember watching th Brady Bunch, Father Knows Best Bewitched when I was a kid and thought Wow THE Perfect Family! then when I found out the Brady dad was GAY so was DARRIN, the Father in Father knows best was a DRUNK then I found out my best friends father who I also thought was PUURFECT was molesting all the little girls in the neighborhood REALITY STRUCK.
Then the counselor at the Catholic Church I attend told me that half the congregation is in therapy for Adultery or some kind of sexual immoral behaviour I realize marraige is for the tough at heart..


100 posted on 11/08/2005 9:56:18 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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