Posted on 03/26/2005 1:14:24 PM PST by CHARLITE
No, this is not a blonde joke. If you want one of those, go to this weeks Humor File. Cleopatra was in fact a blonde. Thats because she was not Egyptian. She was a Macedonian Greek, with hair as blonde as Alexanders.
Alexander conquered Egypt in 332 BC, then went on to subdue all of the Middle East. When he died nine years later, his just-conquered empire was fought over and carved up by his generals. The one who ended up running Egypt was Ptolemy (367-283 BC). Declaring himself Pharaoh, he founded the Ptolemaic Dynasty, with twelve Ptolemies in succession, many of whom had wives named Cleopatra. The Cleopatra we know, lover of Julius Caesar and Marc Antony, was the daughter of Ptolemy XII, and entitled Cleopatra VII (69-30 BC).
There was not a drop of Egyptian blood in the Ptolemies. They remained 100% Greek, including the Queen of the Nile herself Cleopatra. Can you imagine Elizabeth Taylor as a blonde? It kind of shakes up your image of history.
I am writing this overlooking the Nile in Cairo. The Pyramids of Giza are in the distance. If there is one thing omnipresent in Egypt its history and most all of that history is old, in more ways than one.
Egyptian history ended over 3,000 years ago. The Pyramids, the Pharoahs like Ramses II and King Tut, all of that was pretty much over by 1,000 BC. When the Persians seized the place in 525 BC, it had been torn apart by Libyans, Kushite Nubians, Assyrians and other invaders for centuries. Thus the very name Egypt isnt Egyptian. The Persians called it E Ko Ptah, the Land of Ptah, the Egyptian creator god. Herodotus Greekified this to Egoptus, which we changed to Egypt.
The Sphinx isnt the Sphinx thats a Greek word the Ptolemies gave it, meaning bound together as the statue of a Pharoahs head with the body of a lion. The real name is shesep-ankh-Atum, the Living Image of the God Atum.
The Ptolemies Greek rule of Egypt ended in 31 BC, with Octavians (who became Augustus) defeat of Antony and Cleopatra at Actium. For almost 700 years, Egypt was a Roman colony (first of Rome, then Constantinople). Then came the Arabs, followed by the Turkish Mamluks, followed by the Ottoman Turks. When Napoleon grabbed it in 1798, Egypt was an unknown backwater (I must dispense one myth here: The Sphinxs nose was not blown off by Napoleons artillery, as there are pre-1798 drawings of it so disfigured. It was defaced by Arab Moslems in the 8th century). Three years later, the Brits kicked out the French, and Egypt remained a British colony until independence came in 1952.
Well, sort of. Under the dictatorship of Gamel Abdel Nasser, Egypt became a virtual colony of the Soviet Unions. After Nasser died in 1970, it had a brief respite under Anwar Sadat, who kicked out the Soviets. Sadat was assassinated in 1981, and a fellow named Hosni Mubarak has been Egypts Pharaoh ever since.
Its hard to go anywhere in Egypt today without seeing Mubaraks picture staring down at you from huge billboards and street posters everywhere. For twenty-five years, there have been no elections, only referendums, where people get to vote either yes or no on his rule with no other options or candidates. He routinely gets over 98% yes. Any public criticism of him gets you in prison.
Mubarak will be 77 this May. Bush White House people who have talked with him recently comment on how he is always repeating himself and is showing signs of senility. Yet he still is shrewd enough to understand he cannot appoint his son Gemayel as his successor, and to announce (last month) with fanfare that there will be something like an actual election this fall, instead of another referendum.
If this takes place, with opposition parties allowed to organize, opposition candidates allowed to campaign, people allowed to freely vote with international monitors watching, it will be the first time in 5,000 years of recorded Egyptian history that Egyptians have had a voice in choosing their government. Far more importantly, it will have a thunderous effect throughout the entire Arab world.
Egypt is the Arab giant. There are 72 million people here, almost three times the population of Iraq. For 3,000 years it has been a sleeping giant. In the half-century since independence, its political freedom has been stifled and its economy shackled by socialism. With the most cursory glimpse of the country, one can see the enormous potential here. Egyptians are smart, friendly, hospitable to the world, and ready to go.
The famous monuments tourists have flocked here to see for centuries have a very interesting psychological impact on Egyptians. Civilization began in Mesopotamia, but there wasnt any stone. Everything was made of mud brick and it all crumbled away. So the memory and reality of a pre-Islamic history faded away. So it is throughout the Arab world. All that came before Islam can be ignored. Except in Egypt, where there was stone, where gigantic monuments made of stone still exist and their pre-Islamic history cannot be ignored. For many Arabs, all they are, besides a tribal or clan membership, is Moslem. Egyptians know they are far and deeply more.
There is thus an entrenched capacity in Egypt for a moderate Islam that participates in the world and doesnt reject it. Egyptian Islamofascists like Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama Bin Ladens Number Two in Al Qaeda, arent welcome and have to go elsewhere. Radical anti-West movements like Iqwan Muslimi, the Moslem Brotherhood that started here, have to ally elsewhere, like with the Wahabbis of Saudi Arabia.
The Iqwan is here in Egypt, no doubt. It was formed here in 1928. It conducted the assassination of Anwar Sadat. Right now it is quiescent. And so we come to Egypts great fork in todays road. The fear of the Iqwan is now suddenly serving a useful purpose. The January 30 elections in Iraq stunned Egypt. Millions of Egyptians watched their fellow Arabs freely, peacefully, and enthusiastically vote for their government. Now they want the same for their country.
And Mubarak realizes that if he doesnt give it to them and dashes their hopes, then lots of folks will see the Iqwan as their only alternative. American, European, and world pressure will be on Mubarak to not hold pretend sham elections. Hes got to launch Egypt on the road to actual democracy.
That, plus an unshackling of the Egyptian economy with solid free market reforms which has already started will be a blow from which Arab Moslem terrorism and radicalism may not be able to recover. A free democratic Egypt is the doom of radical Islam.
Its a memorable time to be here, watching Egypt awaken from a slumber of three millennia. This ancient land may be about to play a critical role in our future.
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Ramses the Great had red wavy hair.
I don't know whether or not Cleopatra was a blonde, but to assume she was because she was Greek doesn't make any sense.
Ancient Greeks and Romans were blonde and brown-haired and black-haired, with the latter two probably predominating. As a member of the Ptolemaic Dynasty, she was Greek, not Ancient Egyptian by race. But interestingly enough, she was the first and only Ptolemaic ruler in several hundred years who even bothered to learn ancient Egyptian and read hieroglyphs. She thought of herself as Egyptian and greatly admired Ancient Egypt and its culture.
There is some controversy today as to whether or not she actually committed suicide with a cobra (asp) or was murdered at the order of Octavian. But it would indeed have been fitting that the Cobra, which was the symbolic and religious protector of the rulers of lower Egypt as the god Wadjet, might have spared Cleopatra from an ignominious part in Octavian's triumphal procession.
As for the Ancient Egyptians themselves, they were for the most part Caucasian "Mediterranean" types like the modern Berbers who are not black Africans. However, the Ancient Egyptians had large numbers of Kushites - black Africans from modern day Sudan - in their military forces, at least one dynasty was from Kush, and there were marriage and trading relationships with their neighbors in Kush so there was a strong black African element in the population also.
But to an ancient Egyptian, color was probably not a concern. They looked at the world through the perspective of Egyptians and barbarous non-Egyptians, not black and white.
Modern greeks are more mediterranean than ancient greeks? Perhaps you'd like to rethink this statement.
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I don't remember noticing that about Ramses the Great, but I do remember seeing all colors or skin and hair in reproductions of Egyptian paintings.
Interestingly, King David is also said to have had red hair.
Nope, meant what I said. By "more mediterranean" what I meant was more reflective of the mix of cultures and races that the med area is today.
Since Ptolemy's time, Romans, Anatolians, Celts, Germans, Arabs, Slavs, Venetians, Normans and Turks have all invaded and/or settled in parts or all of what is modern Greece. Today's Greeks are simply not the same people as those of Ptolemy's day - they're a mix of lots of peoples who live around the med, and are, hence, "more mediterranean" than the ancient Greeks were.
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AntiBurr, that is a 19th century and early 20th century lie. You should update yourself.
Here is a scientific (and by that I mean an academic non racialist, non neo-nazi) website that lists the DNA of Greeks and Italians and others.
http://racialreality.110mb.com/greeks.html
It's been said that modern Greeks are racially different from their ancient predecessors, having over the centuries mixed with slaves and foreigners, including Negroids, and lost an allegedly Nordic character. The scientific data, however, shows tremendous continuity and near purity among Greeks, as well as a virtual absence of Nordic racial elements since the beginning of Greek history.
"It is inaccurate to say that the modern Greeks are different physically from the ancient Greeks; such a statement is based on an ignorance of the Greek ethnic character.... The Greeks, in short, are a blend of [sub]racial types, of which two are most important: the Atlanto-Mediterranean and the Alpine. Dinaricism here is present, but not all pervading; true Alpines are commoner than complete Dinarics. The Nordic element is weak, as it probably has been since the days of Homer. The racial type to which Socrates belonged [Alpine] is today the most important, while the Atlanto-Mediterranean, prominent in Greece since the Bronze Age, is still a major factor. It is my personal reaction to the living Greeks that their continuity with their ancestors of the ancient world is remarkable, rather than the opposite." (Coon, 1939)
PS: Greeks are to be found with all hair colors and eye colors - If you read Homer you would know this since he identifies people by physical characteristics.
Look at the DNA cluster. The Greeks are grouped close to the Basques. Since the Greeks were one of the first Indo-European speaking tribes to settle in Europe their mixture with the native inhabitants of Europe (the ancestors of Basques of today) explains much.
I just realized how old this post was! LOL! I followed a link by SunkenCiv thinking it was contemporary. Noob mistake.
Here, just for owning up to that, I’ll let you hold this basket of figs.
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