Holy sh*t! Is he slipping him the tongue!!?
Posted on 03/13/2005 1:11:03 PM PST by jan in Colorado
In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islam/Islamist philosophy is not only acceptable, it is holy and blessed work. It is called al-Takeyya (or al-Taqiyya) and is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran. We have just seen it in action and most people never even caught the whiff of mental ether the Islamists were pouring into the airways of the already comatose and choking non-Islamist world.
Al-Takeyya is a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam AND the conquest of the non-Muslim world. According to William P. Welty, Ph.D., al-Takeyya/Taqiyya is:
"The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates." (1)
And here is the definition from an Islam encyclopedia website:
"The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies..." (2)
Now here's where the latest Islamist sneak maneuver of al Takeyya/Taqiyya comes into play. The Islamic Commission of Spain issued a decree against al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. They did this in response to the bombing of a Madrid train last year by al Qaeda.
Mansur Escudero, head of the Federation of Islamic Religious Entities, called on clerics to formally condemn terrorism and pray for all terror victims. He went on to state, ''The terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization ... which result in the death of civilians, such as women and children ... are totally prohibited and are the object of strong condemnation within Islam.''
Sounds good so far.
But let's examine what this man did not say, as well as the timing of his little media-sensation fatwa.
This fatwa was timed to coincide with the 1-year anniversary of the bombing in Madrid. Sure, several hundred people died, but this is not the first time that hundreds, nay, thousands of people have died at the hands of Muslims merely because they weren't Muslim.
Therefore, one must ask why was there no such fatwa issued in the aftermath of 9-11? And why has no fatwa about the "...death of civilians, such as women and children'' ever been issued regarding the thousands upon thousands of Jewish/Israeli victims of genocidal terror ever been issued?
I will tell you why. This is al-Takeyya/Taqiyya at its most devious and deceptive. And the key word here is 'civilians.'
In radical Islam (Islamism), any Jew living in Israel is not considered either 'innocent' or a 'civilian.' Nor were the people living and working in America on 9-11. Islamists consider the 'Great Satan -- America,' and the 'Little Satan -- Israel,' to be enemy combatants. And this includes every man, woman or child, even babes in arms, even sleeping or in school or playing in playgrounds. This includes any and all who are not Islamists and who oppose being forced to kneel down and pay homage to Allah or his followers. In particular, Christians (whom they call 'Crusaders'), and Jews.
This also includes those of us who refuse to allow the Islamists to insidiously inject their politico-religious dogma into our way of life. And this especially includes Israel, whom the Islamists view as a polluting force in their quest for 'Arab unity' and a Judenrein Middle East.
So the fatwa issued by this Muslim cleric living in Spain was meant to put the free and civilized world into yet another coma. He was hoping we would see this supposedly 'peaceful and tolerant' religious edict and sing the praises of Islam and remind each other how it is a 'peaceful' religion, even though the word 'Islam' also means 'to submit,' and our utter and complete submission is what they are working towards.
The crafter of this latest religious edict, so proudly trumpeted to the world, has achieved nothing more than a clumsy attempt to delude us into thinking that Islamism is really nice and honorable and loving and peaceful. It is also meant to deceive us into believing that even though such edicts were never issued -- and will never be issued -- regarding Americans or Israelis, these particular Muslims are mainstream moderates.
Camel cakes! We are now familiar with the ploy of lying, omissions and deceit as sanctioned by al-Takeyya/Taqiyya. And some of us are not in a humanist/liberal feel-good coma like lambs going to the slaughter. And we will continue to alert you to the deceptions used by the Islamists.
The lesson to be learned here is not to look for what is said, but what is deliberately not said. If anything, this fatwa, by its omissions and timing (or lack thereof) has simply reinforced the fact that the Islamists do not see Israel or Judeo-Christian America as 'innocent.' It has reaffirmed that they see us all as ripe for deceit and murder in the name of Allah.
That's sure some interesting cult you got there boy, I mean to say, are you kidding me or can anyone join?
(sarc.)
Sick cult isn't it?
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Thank you.
No, you can simply take it as a sign that I am tired of arguing with the ignorant.
The Spanish fatwa against bin Laden is one piece of evidence. You and your friends claimed that no Islamic leaders had issued any criticism of the terrorism, so I posted the information about the fatwa, which you then tried to twist around into evidence SUPPORTING your point. Than I posted a verse from the Koran that discredits the idea that Islam is all about killing people, which youo and your friends work so assiduously to promote, and you disingenuously tried to twist it around to be evidence that supports your claims when it manifestly is evidence against them.
If you're going to argue so dishonestly and ignorantly, then it is a waste of my time to contnue trying to explain this to people who refuse to see -- at least some of whom I suspect of being DUh disruptors anyway.
People can read the evidence for tehmselves. The President of the United States, one most FReepers voted for, understands that there are terrorists (of all faiths, but predominantly Muslims) who must be defeated whatever the cost, and then there are the vast majority of people of all faiths (including Muslims) who are peaceful people who live in civilized, orderly peace with their neighbors and who mostly just want to be left alone to practice their faith.
The fact that they practice a faith different from yours and from that of most Westerners seems to offend you deeply, but it really does you no harm -- unless you keep insisting that it does.
Translation: "Quit cheating and putting up things that contradict what I want to believe. That's not fair."
I claimed what?? Chapter and verse please. Please quote the post on this thread where I claimed that. I'm well aware that there have been self serving criticisms of terrorism, like the Saudi Ulema who criticize attacks that destable the kingdom or weaken the unity of the ummah they want to strengthen, but still support the raising of $109 million to support the Palestinian terrorist "intifada" and refuse to denounce attacks on Jews or OBL himself. Then they have the nerve to initially offer up $10 million for tsunami aid (later raised to $30 mil) while the Great Satan offers up $350 mil plus logistical support etc.
which you then tried to twist around into evidence SUPPORTING your point.
Because it does! I didn't twist it... I simply posted facts to support my position. What evidence have you offered? Just yelling one word, "fatwah," means little, unless you understand what it's about, the context, what's happening in Spain/Andalusia, the basis for it (istihlal), and the future goals and aspirations of Islamic groups in Spain and beyond.
Are you even aware that Mansur Escudero was held over a barrel by the new socialist Spanish government who planned to take control of the funding of Spanish Mosques away from his control?
Even though you said you "hope to see this fatwah carried out," you have declined to answer what you hoped this fatwah would achieve even after I have asked you repeatedly. If you don't understand the motivation and context, you won't understand the where its going...
As for "my point"... you said "The fact that they practice a faith different from yours and from that of most Westerners seems to offend you deeply, but it really does you no harm -- unless you keep insisting that it does."
When you go and live in an Islamic country for a while like I have, and see these the strategies Imams, muftis, and "islamic organizations" use to justify the "struggle," promote islamic "values," undermine democracy and introduce sharia (aka gender and religious apartheid), scaring the hell out of local Muslims and non-Muslims alike, then maybe you'll get it.
Do you deny that there's anything wrong with Islam? Have you ever seen the fear in someones face when they want to leave islam but can not? Do you not understand that Islam may benefit from a reformation or going thru an enlightenment as Christianity did? Do you understand that to do so, it MUST break out of the restraints of islamic concepts such as bidah and istihlal and not be constrained by them like these Spanish groups and fatwahs insist?
If you're going to argue so dishonestly and ignorantly, then it is a waste of my time to contnue trying to explain this to people who refuse to see
Huh, say what?? Dishonestly and ignorantly? How so? You have not even answered all the questions I have asked you. I stand behind my posts #414 and #440 to you, as well as the follow up posts. I've produced far more evidence to back up what I say than you have. How is that ignorant or dishonest? Why are you not providing evidence and resorting to personal attacks instead? I'm not trying to make an enemy out out you, I'm simply trying to have a civilized exchange of views with you and offer you some facts you may not be aware of, as well as enlighten a few folks around here who have not seen the sides of Islam that I have, or who have never known what it's like to live as a dhimmi, or seen the fear that Muslims have for their own religious police.
People can read the evidence for tehmselves.
I agree! All they need to do is go back and read our previous posts on this thread and decide for themselves who's offered evidence for what, unless their minds are closed.
-- at least some of whom I suspect of being DUh disruptors anyway.
I think it would be polite to name names if you're accusing other individuals on this thread of anything, so they can have the opportunity to respond.
Why didn't you put it in context then... or refute the facts that have been presented to you?
I had almost forgotten all about that website and all the interesting articles there...
That's not what I said, and you know it.
To take a core belief from the New Testament:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
If I change that verse just a little, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever have everlasting life.", the whole meaning of that verse is changed. No longer would anyone have to believe in the Savior. They're going to be saved anyway.
What you did was exactly what the immans and mullahs do in their quest to convince people of the benevolency of Islam.
Leave out the bad; only recite the good. The fact is, if you take the verses of the Quran en toto, there is no good.
All muzzie apologists fall back on the "difficulty" of translating Arabic into English.
That's a cop-out!
There's no more difficulty in translating Arabic into English as there is in translating Hebrew to English or Greek to English.
Many linguists have translated the Quran, and, except for a few minor words, which do not change the meaning at all, there is no difference.
Thanks for the info Cronos... it certainly seems to shed more light on where he's "coming from," ideologically.
Ugh... I would hate to ask!
I can only wonder what the poor kids in the background must be thinking...
From your site link:
Taj Mahal - A Hindu Temple-Palace
By now you all know through my previous articles, the irrefutable facts and deductive logic which prove that Islam is evil right at its very foundation. It is not a religion, but a means to legalize rape, murder, loot and destruction! Given what I have shown in these previous weeks, no one should have the slightest doubt that the true followers of such a "religion" can only be called dacoits!
These dacoits have looted and raped many countries, but no country can tell a bloodier tale of muslim oppression than India! The muslim dacoits started their rule over India in 712 A.D. with the invasion of Mohammed Qasem and looking at the present situation of our country it still continues on today!
During their rule they looted and destroyed hundereds of thousands of Hindu temples. Aurangzeb himself destroyed 10,000 Hindu temples during his reign! Some of the larger temples were converted into mosques or other Islamic structures. Ram Janmbhoomi(at Ayodhya) and Krishna Temple(at Mathura) are just two examples. Many others exist!
The most evident of such structures is Taj Mahal--a structure supposedly devoted to carnal love by the "great" moghul king Shah Jahan to his favorite wife Mumtaz Mahal. Please keep in my mind that this is the same Shah Jahan who had a harem of 5,000 women and the same Shah Jahan who had a incestuous relationship with his daughter justifing it by saying, 'a gardner has every right to taste the fruit he has planted'! Is such a person even capable of imagning such a wondrous structure as the Taj Mahal let alone be the architect of it?
The answer is no. It cannot be. And it isn't as has been proven. The Taj Mahal is as much a Islamic structure as is mathematics a muslim discovery! The famous historian Shri P.N. Oak has proven that Taj Mahal is actually Tejo Mahalaya-- a shiv temple-palace. His work was published in 1965 in the book, Taj Mahal - The True Story. However, we have not heard much about it because it was banned by the corrupt and power crazed Congress government of Bharat who did not want to alienate their precious vote bank--the muslims.
After reading Shri Oak's work which provides more than adequate evidence to prove that Taj Mahal is indeed Tejo Mahalaya, one has to wonder if the government of Bharat has been full of traitors for the past 50 years! Because to ban such a book which states only the truth is surely a crime against our great nation of Bharat.
The most valuable evidence of all that Tejo Mahalaya is not an Islamic building is in the Badshahnama which contains the history of the first twenty years of Shah Jahan's reign. The writer Abdul Hamid has stated that Taj Mahal is a temple-palace taken from Jaipur's Maharaja Jaisigh and the building was known as Raja Mansingh's palace. This by itself is enough proof to state that Tejo Mahalaya is a Hindu structure captured, plundered and converted to a mausoleum by Shah Jahan and his henchmen. But I have taken the liberty to provide you with 109 other proofs and logical points which tell us that the structure known as the Taj Mahal is actually Tejo Mahalaya.
There is a similar story behind Every Islamic structure in Bharat. They are all converted Hindu structures. As I mentioned above, hundereds of thousands of temples in Bharat have been destroyed by the barbaric muslim invaders and I shall dedicate several articles to these destroyed temples. However, the scope of this article is to prove to you beyond the shadow of any doubt that Taj Mahal is Tejo Mahalaya and should be recognized as such! Not as a monument to the dead Mumtaz Mahal--an insignificant sex object in the incestous Shah Jahan's harem of 5,000.
Another very important proof that Taj Mahal is a Hindu structure is shown by figure 1 below. It depicts Aurangzeb's letter to Shah Jahan in Persian in which he has unintentionally revealed the true identity of the Taj Mahal as a Hindu Temple-Palace. Refer to proofs 20 and 66 stated below.
Figure 1.
Aurangzeb's letter to his father Shah Jahan written in
Persian. (Source: Taj Mahal - The True Story, pg. 275)
Take the time to read the proofs stated below and know to what extent we have been lied to by our own leaders. These proofs of Shri P.N. Oak have been taken from the URL: http://rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu:8080/hindu_history/modern/taj_oak.html I would like to commend the creator of the above mentioned web site for taking the time to put up the proofs given by Shri P.N. Oak.
For more information you can order the book, Taj Mahal - The True Story authored by Shri P.N. Oak. The ISBN number of the book is ISBN 0-9611614-4-2. The book is available through A. Ghosh (Publisher), 5720 W. Little York, #216, Houston, Texas 77091. Visit Sword Of Truth - Online Magazine for more information.
Hmmmmm, thank you my friend.....but I'm still mucking out my horse's stall here.
You will be the first to know when the task is accomplished!
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