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Deceit, Thy Name Is Islamism
Isralert.com source ^ | Beth Goodtree

Posted on 03/13/2005 1:11:03 PM PST by jan in Colorado

In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islam/Islamist philosophy is not only acceptable, it is holy and blessed work. It is called al-Takeyya (or al-Taqiyya) and is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran. We have just seen it in action and most people never even caught the whiff of mental ether the Islamists were pouring into the airways of the already comatose and choking non-Islamist world.

Al-Takeyya is a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam AND the conquest of the non-Muslim world. According to William P. Welty, Ph.D., al-Takeyya/Taqiyya is:

"The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates." (1)

And here is the definition from an Islam encyclopedia website:

"The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies..." (2)

Now here's where the latest Islamist sneak maneuver of al Takeyya/Taqiyya comes into play. The Islamic Commission of Spain issued a decree against al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. They did this in response to the bombing of a Madrid train last year by al Qaeda.

Mansur Escudero, head of the Federation of Islamic Religious Entities, called on clerics to formally condemn terrorism and pray for all terror victims. He went on to state, ''The terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization ... which result in the death of civilians, such as women and children ... are totally prohibited and are the object of strong condemnation within Islam.''

Sounds good so far.

But let's examine what this man did not say, as well as the timing of his little media-sensation fatwa.

This fatwa was timed to coincide with the 1-year anniversary of the bombing in Madrid. Sure, several hundred people died, but this is not the first time that hundreds, nay, thousands of people have died at the hands of Muslims merely because they weren't Muslim.

Therefore, one must ask why was there no such fatwa issued in the aftermath of 9-11? And why has no fatwa about the "...death of civilians, such as women and children'' ever been issued regarding the thousands upon thousands of Jewish/Israeli victims of genocidal terror ever been issued?

I will tell you why. This is al-Takeyya/Taqiyya at its most devious and deceptive. And the key word here is 'civilians.'

In radical Islam (Islamism), any Jew living in Israel is not considered either 'innocent' or a 'civilian.' Nor were the people living and working in America on 9-11. Islamists consider the 'Great Satan -- America,' and the 'Little Satan -- Israel,' to be enemy combatants. And this includes every man, woman or child, even babes in arms, even sleeping or in school or playing in playgrounds. This includes any and all who are not Islamists and who oppose being forced to kneel down and pay homage to Allah or his followers. In particular, Christians (whom they call 'Crusaders'), and Jews.

This also includes those of us who refuse to allow the Islamists to insidiously inject their politico-religious dogma into our way of life. And this especially includes Israel, whom the Islamists view as a polluting force in their quest for 'Arab unity' and a Judenrein Middle East.

So the fatwa issued by this Muslim cleric living in Spain was meant to put the free and civilized world into yet another coma. He was hoping we would see this supposedly 'peaceful and tolerant' religious edict and sing the praises of Islam and remind each other how it is a 'peaceful' religion, even though the word 'Islam' also means 'to submit,' and our utter and complete submission is what they are working towards.

The crafter of this latest religious edict, so proudly trumpeted to the world, has achieved nothing more than a clumsy attempt to delude us into thinking that Islamism is really nice and honorable and loving and peaceful. It is also meant to deceive us into believing that even though such edicts were never issued -- and will never be issued -- regarding Americans or Israelis, these particular Muslims are mainstream moderates.

Camel cakes! We are now familiar with the ploy of lying, omissions and deceit as sanctioned by al-Takeyya/Taqiyya. And some of us are not in a humanist/liberal feel-good coma like lambs going to the slaughter. And we will continue to alert you to the deceptions used by the Islamists.

The lesson to be learned here is not to look for what is said, but what is deliberately not said. If anything, this fatwa, by its omissions and timing (or lack thereof) has simply reinforced the fact that the Islamists do not see Israel or Judeo-Christian America as 'innocent.' It has reaffirmed that they see us all as ripe for deceit and murder in the name of Allah.


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To: jan in Colorado
Thanks for the powerful post...
You've gone straight to the core of the differences between Christianity and islam...
Fortunately Christ has already conquered the power of evil...it's just that some folks don't realize it yet.
481 posted on 03/19/2005 3:05:30 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Will quip for food...)
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To: Cronos

"Whosoever has spared the life of a soul, it is as though he has spared the life of all people. Whosoever has killed a soul, it is as though he has murdered all of mankind." 5: 32


482 posted on 03/19/2005 6:57:52 AM PST by TBP
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To: Cronos

"Whosoever has spared the life of a soul, it is as though he has spared the life of all people. Whosoever has killed a soul, it is as though he has murdered all of mankind." 5: 32


483 posted on 03/19/2005 6:59:53 AM PST by TBP
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To: jan in Colorado
Deceit, Thy Name Is Islamism !!!

Evil, Thy Name Is Islam !!!

Satan, Thy Name Is Mahammud !!!

484 posted on 03/19/2005 7:22:05 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: TBP

Absolutely.
Every Muslim in the country is a CARRIER of the disease called Islam. The disease that is straightforward in it's goals. Dominate all cultures. Overcome all but Islam. History is the record of it's methods.
Every Muslim, by definition, believes this.
Every rat during the Great Plagues did not bite, but man had to rightfully assume that they were all carriers of the deadly disease and COULD infect people.
There was no PETA then screaming about 'fairness' to the 'innocent' rats. They were all attacked for the good of man, and rightfully so.
Now- you will say that comparing rodents to human beings is wrong. I am not. I am comparing the threat they carried-intentionally or othewise. If Islam is destroyed, as a 'religion', I have no problem with the people.

The plague was physical death.
Islam is physical death to those who will not submit to it, and death to any culture that allows it. It reverts civilization to the dark ages.
That culture is mine. And I'll be damned if I care about 'fairness' and 'feewings' when there are people IN OUR COUNTRY who openly admit ( CAIR ) that their goal is a Sharia society for me and my family. I take that as a bald faced threat and I see every Muslim as a potential instrument of that threat that MUST be dealt with now.

In a way they can be compared to rats in that they are conditioned by wailing announcements to grovel on the ground several times a day- just as rats can be conditioned to do any number of things by certain stimuli.
Islam is the perfect 'religion' for brutes, men who hate women, masochists,pedophiles,sadists and the plain ignorant who need to be submissive.
So yes- I know exactly what I'm saying. I'd go door to door myself, starting in my area. I'd lock the internment camp gates myself( although I think it would be better to send them to some nice Islamic heaven of a country, and cheaper too), or escort them to military transports myself- and not feel ONE SHRED of guilt.
Now let me ask you a question.
Why wouldn't a devout Muslim WANT to go to a country where Islam/Sharia rules ? Why do they want to Islamicize this country instead?


485 posted on 03/19/2005 11:56:08 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: TBP; ariamne; Cronos; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies; TexasCowboy; Former Dodger; swordfish71; ...
TBP... am I to take your lack of response to my post #440 to you, (and my follow up comments in posts #441 and #443) as a sign you concede to the points I raised about the Spanish fatwah you kept bringing up, and you are finally starting to see there are some serious problems with it?

I notice you're not mentioning it anymore.

486 posted on 03/19/2005 12:29:38 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: ariamne
pray for me as I face off against the hundreds of anti-war and islamic New paltz students.

Ugh! I hope you shower afterwards to get the stench off you.

Prayers for your own sanity to prevail have gone up...

487 posted on 03/19/2005 12:36:18 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: TBP
Perhaps we may get somewhere after you respond to what I wrote above.

I do, however, raise my voice to demand that strong action be taken against the people responsible for these atrocities.

Would you be willing to address the root cause? The ideology behind it? The examples the founder of the ideology set? And how so?

488 posted on 03/19/2005 12:41:47 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: TBP
Quit cheating and cherry picking parts of verses!

Give the whole verse:

Quran 005.032 : "For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth."

Conflicting verse:

Quran 033.026 : " And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some."

Now, muzzie, I can do this all day!
I dare say I'm much better acquainted with the Quran than you.
The whole book is about torture, maiming and slaughter so any verse you find I can refute it from the same book.

489 posted on 03/19/2005 1:06:10 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: ariamne

Prayers for your well being Ari.


490 posted on 03/19/2005 1:54:19 PM PST by appalachian_dweller (Mark 13:7 - And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled)
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To: TexasCowboy; TBP

Wow TC!! You DO have a good knowledge of the koran. Great job.

TBP, you can post whatever passages of the terrorist handbook known as the koran as much as you want.

Here's what your beloved muslims have been up to since 1968.

ACTIONS speak louder than words.

Islamic Terror Attacks

1968
June 5 - U.S. presidential candidate Robert Kennedy murdered by Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan, in Los Angeles, which causes further terrorist attacks, as Arab terrorist groups demanded his release.

1969
Feb. 18 - Boeing 707 attacked at Zurich, Switzerland, killing the pilot and 3 passengers.
Aug. 29 - TWA 707 hijacked from Rome to Damascus, released with only wounded.
Nov. 27- El Al office in Athens, Greece attacked. Innocent bystanders killed.
1970 Feb. 21 - Swiss airliner blown up over Switzerland, killing all 47 people on board.
Feb. 23 - PLO terrorists open fire on a busload of Christian pilgrims killing 1 and wounding 2 Americans.
April 21- Bomb explodes aboard a Philippines airliner. All 36 aboard are killed.
Sept. 6 - "Skyjack Sunday" in Jordan. 3 planes (TWA, Swissair, Pan Am) en route to the U.S. hijacked, 400+ hostages, planes blown up in Jordan, Governments agreed to PFLP's demands, released terrorists from jails and hostages released.
Sept. 14 - The PFLP hijacked TWA flight to Ammon, 4 Americans injured.

1971
Nov. 28 - Jordanian prime minister Tal killed by terrorists at the Sheraton Hotel in Cairo, Egypt. Dec. - Jordanian ambassador to London, England is shot by hit squad.

1972
Jan. 26 - Bomb explodes on a Yugoslav plane killing all but one passenger.
May 30 - Ben Gurion Airport, Israel attack killed 26, and wounded 78 U.S. citizens from Puerto Rico.
Sept. 5 - Palestinian terrorists led by Yasir Arafat seize 11 athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, Germany, 9 hostages and 5 terrorists killed, plus David Berger from Cleveland.

1973
March 2 - Khartoum, Sudan. Cleo Noel, Jr., U.S. ambassador, and George C. Moore, U.S. diplomat, were held hostage and then killed by terrorists at the U.S. Embassy.
Aug. 5 - Suicide squad attacks Athens airport, Greece, killing 3 civilians and injuring 55.
Dec. 17 - Bomb explodes at Pan Am office at Rome, Italy killing 32 and injuring 50+. The terrorists take 7 Italian policemen hostage and hijack an aircraft to Athens, Greece, killing one of them.

1974
March 1 - Diplomats taken hostage from Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum, Sudan, 2 that are killed are American's.
April 11 - Kiryat Shmona Massacre at an apartment building killing 18 people, 9 were children. Sept. 8 - Athens, Greece. TWA Flight 841 exploded from bomb in cargo hold, all 88 passengers killed, including 32-year-old Steven Lowe, an American citizen.
Nov. 23 - British DC-10 hijacked at Dubai, UAE, flown to Tunisia where a German passenger was killed.

1975
Jan. 19 - Arab terrorists attack Orly airport, Paris, France, seizing 10 hostages from a bathroom. French provided the terrorists with a plane to fly them to safety in Baghdad, Iraq.
Sept. 30 - Hungarian airplane explodes killing all 64 persons on board.
Dec. 21 - Carlos "The Jackal" holds 11 oil ministers and 59 civilians hostage during the OPEC meeting in Vienna, Austria. Flew to Algeria, got $300,000,000 in ransom money, Carlos and his Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorists escape.

1976
Jan. 1 - 82 innocent travelers are killed aboard a Lebanese plane.
June 27 - Air France airliner hijacked, forced to fly to Uganda. Some 258 passengers and crew are held hostage. 3 passengers killed. July 4th, Israeli commandos rescue the remaining hostages.
Aug. 11 - Terrorists attack Istanbul airport, Turkey, killing 4 civilians (1 from U.S.) and injuring 20.
Dec. 4 - Terrorists occupied the Indonesian Embassy in The Hague, Netherlands, 1 official killed. Dec. 14 - Passenger train hijacked and passengers were kept hostage, 3 were killed.

1977
Jan. 1 - F.E. Melov U.S. ambassador to Lebanon, and Robert O.Waring, the U.S. economic counselor, kidnapped and later killed in Beirut.
Oct. 13 - Palestinian terrorists hijack a Lufthansa Flight 181 Boeing 737 and order it to fly around a number of Middle East destinations for four days, pilot is killed by the terrorists, 90 hostages rescued.

1978
March 11 - Gail Rubin, niece of U.S. Senator Ribicoff, among 38 people shot to death by terrorists on a beach near Tel Aviv.
June 2 - A bomb kills 2 people at the CHOGM meeting in Sydney Australia.

1979
July 29 - Terrorist bombs two railway stations in Madrid, kills 7.
Nov. 4 - Terrorists seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage. 13 freed, but the remaining 53 were held until their release on January 20, 1981 - 444 days - at the inauguration of President Ronald Reagan.

1980
April 30 - Terrorists took over the Iranian Embassy in London, holding 26 hostages, 2 of whom died on May 5th after being tortured. Much of the embassy was destroyed by fire.

1981
April 19 - 13 people killed, 177 injured in a terrorist attack in Davao Philippines.
May 13 - Pope John Paul II seriously wounded in assassination attempt in Rome, Italy, by terrorist Mehmet Ali Agca.
Oct. 6 - Egyptian President Anwar Sadat machine gunned dead by Islamic Jihad in Cairo for working for peace. 7 others killed, 28 wounded. The assassins are later executed.

1982 Beginning of the 8 years of terrorism in Lebanon.
July 19 - David Dodge, President of the American University in Beirut kidnapped, spends one year in captivity.
Aug. 19 - Two American citizens, Anne Van Zanten and Grace Cutler, were killed along with 6 others when the PLO bombed a Kosher restaurant in Paris, France.
Sept. 14 - Lebanon's President Gemayel and 26 others assassinated by a massive car bomb in Beirut.

1983
Mar. 16 - 5 Marines wounded in hand grenade attack on Beirut International Airport.
April 18 - CIA's Middle East Director, and 83 others are killed, 120 injured in truck bomb on the US Embassy in Lebanon.
Sept. 29 - Gulf Air Flight 771 is bombed, explodes killing all 166 aboard.
Oct. 23 - Simultaneous suicide truck bombs in Lebanon: 1st crashed into lobby of US Marine Corps Headquarters, 241 Marines dead, 82 seriously injured - and 2nd was French compounds killing 58 paratroopers.
Dec. 12 - US Embassy in Kuwait targeted to destroy the building with a truck bomb, attack foiled by guards and the device killed 5 people and injured 80.

1984
Jan. 18 - Malcolm Kerr, President of the American University of Beirut, was killed by two Hizballah gunmen.
Mar. 8 - Rev. Weir and wife kidnapped in Lebanon and held for 16 months.
Mar. 9 - Car bomb kills 80 (22 Americans) and wounds more than 200 civilians when it drove past the checkpoint at the U.S. Embassy in Awkar.
Mar. 16 - Hizballah kidnapped, tortured and killed William Buckley, an officer at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut.
Apr. 12 - Hizballah bombed restaurant adjacent to US Air Force base in Torregon Spain, 18 servicemen killed and 83 Americans wounded.
Sept. 20- US embassy in the Beirut is bombed - 2 servicemen and 23 employees are killed, 21 Americans injured including the U.S. and British Ambassadors. 50+ Lebanese were injured.
Dec. 4 - Terrorists hijacked Kuwait Airlines Flight 221 and demanded the release from Kuwaiti jails of some members, serving sentences for attacks on French and American targets. 2 Americans murdered.

1985
March 16 - US journalist Terry Anderson kidnapped in Lebanon, finally released in Dec. 1991 - 6 years later.
April 5 - Bomb explodes outside Hezbollah headquarters in Beirut killing 80 people.
April 12 - Bombing of U.S. soldier's favorite restaurant in Madrid, killing 18 and injuring 82.
June 14 - TWA Boeing 727 Flight 847 hijacked en route to Rome, 8 crew and 145 passengers were held for 17 days, U.S. Navy diver was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the hostages were released after the US pressured to release 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.
Sept. 30 - Four Soviet diplomats kidnapped in Lebanon, 1 killed but other three released unharmed after a relative of the terrorist leader's was kidnapped and killed by the Soviet KGB. Oct. 7 - Terrorists seize the Italian cruise liner, Achille Lauro, during a cruise in the Mediterranean, taking more than 700 people hostage for 3 days. Disabled U.S. citizen, Leon Klinghoffer, was murdered in front of other hostages by throwing him in the ocean, before the Egyptian Government offered the terrorists safe haven in return for the hostages' freedom. Nov. 23 - 98 passengers and crew of an Egyptair Flight 648 are held hostage by Palestinian terrorists in Malta. 5 passengers shot, 2 died, later 57 additional passengers killed when the terrorists set off explosives in the aircraft.
Dec. 27 - Suicide grenade and gun attacks in passenger terminals at Rome and Vienna, Italy airports results in 16 people being killed plus 5 Americans and more than 100 civilians injured.

1986
March 30-April 2nd - A bomb exploded on a TWA flight 840 from Rome as it approached Athens airport. The attack killed 4 U.S. citizens who were sucked through a hole made by the blast, 1 infant, and 9 injured, although the plane safely landed.
April 6 - An explosion at the "La Belle" nightclub in Berlin, U.S. soldiers' hang-out, was bombed, killing 3 and injuring 230 people, including 79 U.S. soldiers.
Sept. 5 - Pan Am Boeing 747 Flight 73 en route to Frankfurt and on to New York hijacked by Palestinian terrorists, with 379 passengers, including 89 Americans, 22 hostages killed, 127 wounded.
Sept. 9 - Hezballah kidnapped Frank Reed, President of American University in Beirut, and held for 44 months, and Joseph Cicippio, and Edward Tracy who were each held for 5 years.
Sept. 17 - A 10-month series of terrorist bomb attacks in France begins. One bomb in Paris kills 5 and injures 52.

1987 A car bomb exploded outside the back gate of the U.S. Embassy in Rome and rockets were fired at the compound from across the street. One passerby was injured in the attacks.

1988 Feb. 5 - US Marine Corps Lt. Colonel Higgens, Chief of the U.N. Truce Force kidnapped and murdered by Hezbollah.
March 16 - 4000+ Kurdish civilian bodies found after Saddam Hussein ordered nerve gas attack (weapon of mass destruction) in northern Iraq, after they revolted against his rule from Baghdad. 1.5 million relocated, 200,000 disappeared.
April 5 - 122 held hostage after a Kuwaiti Boeing 747 was hijacked and diverted to Iran, then Cyprus. Kuwait refused requests by hijackers to release 17 convicted terrorists. After 15 days the hijackers were granted asylum in Algeria and released their hostages.
June 26 - US Naval Attaché killed in Athens, Greece.
Dec. 21 - Pan Am Flight 103 - Boeing 747 from London to New York, blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb. All 259 passengers and 11 on the ground were killed, including 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel.

1989
June 12 - A bomb exploded aboard an unoccupied boat used by U.S. consular staff.
Sept. 19 - 171 passengers killed when French UTA flight 772 explodes in mid-air over Niger.
October 11 - Izmir, Turkey. A bomb went off outside a U.S. military PX.

1990
Feb. - Attack of tour bus in Egypt killing 11.

1991
Feb. 7 - Incirlik Air Base, Turkey, U.S. civilian contractor shot as he was getting into his car.
Oct. 28 - Ankara, Turkey. Victor Marwick, an American soldier serving at the Turkish-American base, Tuslog, was killed and his wife wounded in a car bomb attack.
Oct. 28 - Two car bombings killed a U.S. Air Force Sergeant and severely wounded an Egyptian diplomat in Istanbul.
Nov. 8 - Bomb destroyed part of the American University in Beirut, killing 1 and wounding 12.

1992
March 17 - Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, destroyed by bomb killing 29, injuring 60. Hotel in Yemen bombed and U.S. servicemen killed, Operation Restore Hope.

1993
Jan. 25, Virginia, U.S.A. A Pakistani terrorist opened fire with AK-47 on CIA employees standing outside the building. Two agents, Frank Darling and Bennett Lansing, were killed and 3 others wounded.
Feb. 26 - World Trade Center in New York badly damaged by a massive bomb by Islamic terrorists. The van bomb was planted in an underground garage and left 6 people dead and 1042 injured and almost ½ billion dollars in damage.
Feb. 26 - A bomb exploded inside a café in downtown Cairo killing 3, 18 wounded, 2 U.S. citizens.
July 5 - In 8 separate incidents, 19 Western tourists traveling in southeastern Turkey were kidnapped, including U.S. citizen Starger, after weeks in captivity, they were released.
Oct - Killing of U. S. soldiers in Somalia.

1994
July 18 - 86 civilians killed and 300 wounded in bomb attack on Jewish social centre in Buneos Aires, Argentina.
July 26 - Israeli Embassy in London is car-bombed, wounding 20. Air France Flight 8969 is hijacked to crash the plane in Paris but didn't succeed. A small bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines flight 434, killing a Japanese businessman.

1995
Jan. 22 - Islamic Jihad militants blow themselves up amid a group of soldiers near Netanya, killing 21. Operation Bojinka is discovered on a laptop in a Manila, Philippines apartment, in which Osama bin Laden was planning to blow up 12 planes as they flew to the U.S., plus kill the Pope.
March 8 - Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan.
April 9 - Islamic Jihad suicide bomber attacks military convoy in Gaza, killing 7 soldiers and an American tourist.
May 5 - Five foreign oil workers murdered by Islamic GIA terrorists in Algeria.
June 26 - Assassination attempt made against Egyptian President Honsi Mubarak by Islamic radicals who ambushed his motorcade.
July 4 - Six tourists, including two U.S. citizens taken hostage in Kashmir, India. Terrorists demanded the release of Muslim militants held in Indian prisons.
Aug. 13 - The decapitated body of the Norwegian hostage was found with a note stating that the other hostages also would be killed if the group's demands were not met. They were not and all other hostages were killed in 1996 by the terrorists.
July 25 - Islamic terrorists explode bomb in metro station in Paris, France, killing 7 people and injuring 84.
Nov. 13 - Car bomb exploded at Riyadh headquarters of the National Guard, killing 7, 5 of them U.S. citizens, and wounding 42.
Nov. 19 - Islamic radicals plant bomb in Egyptian embassy in Pakistan killing 17.
Dec. 11 - 15 concurrent car bombings in Algiers kill 15 civilians and over 200 injured.

1996
Feb. 11 - Terrorists explode car bomb in Algiers killing 17. The following month, 2 more killed in another bomb and 10 are killed in a train ambush in western Algeria.
Feb. 25 - A suicide bomber blew up a commuter bus in Jerusalem, killing 26, including 3 U.S. citizens, and injuring 80 others, among them another two U.S. citizens.
April 19 - Eighteen Greek tourists were gunned down near the historic Pyramids in Egypt by Islamic terrorists aiming to destroy the country's tourist industry.
May - Osama bin Laden unites the Islamic Fundamentalists worldwide in their Jihad against Jews and Western Gentiles, such as al-Qaeda, Palestinian Authority, Hezbollah, Hamas, Mujahideen, using the Taliban's organization to help fund the operations.
June 25 - Terrorists explode a truck bomb next to a USAF Khobar Towers housing facility at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American servicemen and 515 injured including 240 U.S. personnel.
Islamic terrorists attack tourists in Luxor, Egypt, killing 71 people, most of them vacationers.
Aug. 26 - Sudan Airways A310 Airbus airliner hijacked en route to Jordan and diverted to England. British authorities negotiate with hijackers who release all the 13 crew and 180 passengers unharmed.
Dec. 3 - A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train, killing four and injuring 86 persons, including a U.S. citizen. A terrorist opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the US, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself.
Dec. 23 - A car bomb in the Algerian capital, Algiers, kills three and injures 70 people in cafe near the port. Again a week later, a car bomb kills 28 people and injures 35 people. 3rd car bomb in the past two weeks, killing additional 13 people and injuring more than 250.

1997
Jan. 2 - Major cities worldwide and U.S. get letter bombs with Egyptian postmarks at newspaper bureaus in DC, New York, London, Riyadh, S.A., and Leavenworth, KN. Experts defused all but the 1 in London, injuring 2.
Jan. 7 to 21st - Islamic terrorist rampage during these 14 days with car bombs and beheadings in Algiers, total of 238 dead, 139 wounded.
Feb. 23 - Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State building in New York, killing 1 and wounding over a dozen visitors before turning the gun on himself.
March 7 - Two killed in bus bomb attack in Beijing, China.
April - Terrorists behead innocent civilians this whole month with a total of 272 murdered and over 100 injured. Knives, axes and chainsaws were used and many of the bodies were burned while still alive.
Sept. 18- 9 German tourists killed when Muslims fire bombed bus in Cairo, Egypt.
Nov. 12 - 2 Terrorists shot to death 4 U.S. auditors of a Texas petroleum company and their driver at a Sheraton Hotel in Karachi, Pakistan.
Nov. 17 - 58 western tourists killed and 30 injured in gun attack at historic monuments in southern Egypt. 6 of the Islamic terrorists are killed in shoot out with police.

1998
Jan. 15 - U.S. Embassy bombing in Peru. Published February 23, 1998 - Statement signed by many Islamic Jihad Leaders from most Muslim countries, first by Sheikh Osamah Bin-Ladin: "...In compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims: The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can, in any country in which it is possible... We -- with Allah's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded, to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. Unless you go forth, Allah will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."
Aug. 7 - Simultaneous bombs in US Embassies in Kenya, and Tanzania, heavily damaged by massive attacks. In the Nairobi attack 292 people were killed, including 12 Americans, and 5,000 injured. 10 people were killed and 86 injured in Tanzania incident for a total of 302 dead, 5086 injured within an hour.
Aug. 25 - 3 people killed and 25 injured in bomb attack on Planet Hollywood restaurant in Cape Town, South Africa.
Dec. 28 - 16 Western tourists kidnapped, 12 Britons, 2 U.S. citizens, and 2 Australians on the main road to Aden, Yemen. Four victims were killed during a rescue attempt the next day.

1999
Aug. 31 to Sept. 22nd - Russian apartment bombings kill almost 300 and injured 100.
Oct. 31 - EgyptAir Flight 990 crashed off the U.S. coast of Massachusetts, killing all 217 people on board, including 100 Americans.
Nov. 12 - Six rockets were fired at the U.S. and U.N. offices in Islamabad, Pakistan.
Dec. - Millennium terror plots foiled as customs agents arrest a man smuggling in explosives. Plan to attack Los Angeles airport and other sites intercepted by CIA. Also Jordanian authorities foil a plot to bomb US tourists in Jordan, pick up 28 suspects. Indian Airlines Flight 814, en route to Delhi, India is hijacked, 1 passenger is killed. After negotiations with the Taliban, the hostages are released.

2000
The last of the 2000 millennium attack plots fails, as the boat meant to bomb USS The Sullivans sinks.
Oct. 12 - A suicide boat exploded next to the U.S.S. Cole (guided-missile destroyer), blowing a hole 40 feet in diameter, killing 17 American sailors and injuring 39.

2001
Feb. 5 - A bomb blast in Moscow's Byelorusskaya subway station injures 15 people.
March 28 - Bombing at bus stop in Yemen. U.S. citizens injured including a 15 year old boy from NY.
Aug. 9 - Bombing at Sbarro's pizzeria, killed 15 and wounded over 90, 2 of which were U.S. citizens.
Sept. 11 - 4 U.S. jetliners hijacked and forced to crash into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon like missiles, and 1 crashed in Pennsylvania on the way to the Capital Building in D.C. In all, 266 people perished in the four planes, 2602 people were killed on the ground, plus 343 firefighters, and 184 people at the Pentagon. Almost 5000 injured, 500 rescue workers now have respiratory ailments. 7 buildings collapsed in NY and 23 damaged, plus 4 subway stations. Paris embassy terrorist attack plot foiled
Oct. 27 - Darya Khanah bombed
Dec. 13 - Terrorist attack on Indian Parliament.
Dec. - Richard Reid, attempting to destroy American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami, is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb.

2002
Jan. 27 - A Palestinian woman triggered a massive explosion in Jerusalem killing 1 Israeli and injuring more than 150, including American Mark Sokolow, his wife, and both teenage daughters. Sokolow had survived the 9-11 attack on the World Trade Center, escaping from his law office on the 38th floor of the South Tower before it collapsed.
Feb. 16 - Bombing in Karnei Shomron, in a group of teenage girls from the U.S. 2 killed, 4 wounded. Singapore embassies terrorist attack plot foiled
March 24 - 20 people die and 93 injured in 3 bomb attacks on Russian towns near the border of Chechnya.
April - Explosion at most historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, most are German tourists.
May 9 - A bomb exploded in Dagestan kills 42 people and injures 130 during Victory Day festivities. French oil tanker Limburg bombing off Yemen Kidnapping and murder of journalist Daniel Pearl
Oct. 12 - Bali car bombing of holidaymakers in a nightclub kills 202 Australian citizens. Zamboanga bombings in the Philippines
Oct. 19 - Car bomb explodes at McDonald's restaurant in Moscow, killing 1 person and wounding 5.
Oct. 23 - Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue 3 days later. Nov. - Kenyan hotel suicide bombing kills 16 safari tourists. Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait

2003
May 12 - attack outside U.S. Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
May - Suicide bombers killed 34 (8 U.S. citizens), at housing compounds for westerners in Riyadh, S.A.
May 14 - 16 die in a suicide bombing at a religious festival in southeastern Chechnya. May - 4 bombs killed 33 tourists (8 U.S. citizens) in Casablanca, Morocco.
July 5 - 15 people die and 40 are injured in bomb attacks at a rock festival in Moscow.
Aug. 1 - An explosion at the Russian hospital in North Ossetia kills 50 people and injures 76.
Aug. - Suicide car bomb killed 12 and injured over 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
Sept. 3- A bomb on a passenger train in southern Russia kills 7 people and injures 90.
Oct. 15 - Bombing of US diplomatic convoy in the Gaza Strip: 3 U.S. citizens killed.
Nov. - Explosions rocked a Riyadh, S.A. housing compound, killing 17.
Nov. - Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul kills 26, injures 22.
Dec. 5 - Suicide bombers kill 46 people in an attack on a train in southern Russia.
Dec. 9 - A blast in the center of Moscow kills 6 people and wounds at least 11. Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kill 26 and injure 160. Attacks in Casablanca, Morocco leaves 41 dead. The attack involved 12 bombers and 5 targets. The targets were "Western and Jewish". Istanbul Bombings: Within five days, truck bombs go off at two synagogues, the British Consulate, and the HSBC Bank in Istanbul, Turkey

2004
109 Kurds are killed in 2 suicide bombings in Arbil, Iraq
Feb. 6 - Bomb on Moscow subway kills 41.
Feb. 27 - Superferry 14 is bombed in the Philippines by Abu Sayyaf, killing 116.
March 11 - 10 Simultaneous bombings of busiest rush hour commuter trains in Madrid, Spain kills 202 people and injures more than 1,400.
April 21 - Bombing of a security building in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills 5.
May 29 - Al-Khobar massacres--Islamic terrorists kill 22 people and one American at an oil compound in Saudi Arabia.
June 11 - Terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson, Jr. in Riyadh.
Aug. 24 - Russian airplane bombings kill 90.
August 31 - A blast near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow, caused by a suicide bomber, kills 10 people and injures 33.
Sept. 1 - 3 Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia results in over 330 dead.
Sept. 9 - Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia was bombed, killing 9 people.
Oct. 7 - 3 car bombs explode in the Sinai Peninsula hotel, killing 32 and wounding 114, most of them tourists. HAITI: More of the Same Promised


491 posted on 03/19/2005 2:07:04 PM PST by appalachian_dweller (Mark 13:7 - And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled)
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To: TBP

CHAPTER XII
SEX SLAVERY

In the preceding pages it has been seen how women and children were special targets for enslavement throughout the medieval period, that is, during Muslim invasions and Muslim rule. Captive children of both sexes grew up as Muslims and served the sultans, nobles and men of means in various captives. Enslavement of young women was also due to many reasons; their being sex objects was the primary consideration and hence concentration on their captivity.

Psychology regarding Sex


Islam originated in the Arabian peninsula which is by and large stony and sandy. There is no luxuriant herbage, there are no lofty trees or winding rivers. Muhammad used to say that “three things gladden the eye of the gazer: green fields, running water, and fair faces.”1 Since green fields and running water were denied to the medieval Arab, he concentrated on deriving comfort and society mainly in fair faces. This phenomenon became prominent in the course of Islamic history throughout the world.


In the campaigns launched by Muslims, it was easy to capture women, more so after their menfolk had been massacred. The Prophet's one great aim was propagation of his religion and as Margoliouth observes, “Abu Bakr (the chief campaigner for Muhammad’s creed) probably was aware that women are more amenable to conversion than men… slaves than freemen, persons in distress than persons in prosperity and affluence.”2 Women slaves turned concubines could increase Muslim population by leaps and bounds when captured in large numbers.3 Hence there was particular keenness on enslaving women from the very beginning of Islam.


This was also encouraged by the injunctions of the Quran. Muslims are allowed four wives besides they are allowed to cohabit with any of their female slaves. Surah iv:3 says, “Then marry what seem to be good to you of women”; Surah iv:29, “Take what your right hand possesses of young women”, and Surah xxxiii:49, “Verily we make lawful for thee what thy right hand possesses out of the booty God hath granted thee.” Muslims are allowed to take possession of married women if they are slaves. Surah iv:28 declares, “Unlawful for you are… married women, save such as your right hand possesses”, that is, female slaves captured in war. Manucci’s observation on the seventeenth century India is significant in this regard. He says that “all Muhammadans are fond of women, who are their principal relaxation and almost their only pleasure”4


From the teachings of the Quran quoted above, it will be seen that while Muhammad restricted the number of lawful wives, he did not restrict the number of slave girls and concubines.5 All female slaves taken as plunder in war are the lawful property of their master, and the master has power to take to himself any female slave married or single. T.P. Hughes adds that “there is absolutely no limit to the number of slave girls with whom a Muhammadan may cohabit, and it is the consecration of this illimitable indulgence which so popularizes the Muhammadan religion amongst uncivilized nations, and so popularizes slavery in the Muslim religion”.6


492 posted on 03/19/2005 2:14:54 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: TBP
Images of islam - in the footsteps of the prophet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tabari VIII:62/Ishaq:496 “Ali [Muhammad’s adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, ‘Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.’” Iran- for having an affair - 86 lashes and now hanging. Ishaq:185 “In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards.” Koran 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.” Iran stoning Ishaq:584 “Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman. Machinery of iranian justice. Koran 24:1 “(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.” Saudi news reader before marriage Husband As a married woman Tabari VIII:62/Ishaq:496 “Ali [Muhammad’s adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, ‘Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.’” Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Koran.” Tabari I:280 “Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.”
493 posted on 03/19/2005 2:34:48 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: appalachian_dweller
That history alone should be enough to awaken the whole world to what we are facing.

There can be no compromise with Islam. It must be destroyed before they destroy us!

I propose three choices for the Muslims of America:

(1) A movement among all Muslim groups in America rejecting and denouncing the terrorists acts of their Muslim brothers world wide, and, especially, here in America. This must be a grass roots movement from the rank and file Muslims, not hand picked leaders.
This must be accompanied by the removal of anti-American literature and hate speeches from the mosques.
In other words, they must become Americans in every way.

(2) A nation wide evangelical movement in the Muslim communities to convert as many away from the cult of Satan as possible.
As with all evangelical movements, this must be done with the Word of God through prayer and meditation.
We must attempt to expose the darkness to the light of God.
I propose that this movement be given one year to produce results.

(3) If, at the end of one year, there are Muslims who cannot accept the Word of God or who cannot turn away from the cult of death to reject the terrorist acts of their brothers, they would be deported back to their country of origin and all mosques still displaying literature detrimental to our American way of life, closed and demolished.

We are in a religious war. It's time to fight it like one.

494 posted on 03/19/2005 2:59:43 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: TBP; Fred Nerks; appalachian_dweller; TexasCowboy; Al
Sometimes a picture says a thousand words Fred..

When Golda Meir said something along the lines of "We will have peace with the Arabs when they learn to love their children more than they hate us"

I really think she was onto something. Think of the role Islamic ideology plays in Islamic wars against Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Atheists, agnostics etc...

What ideology leads to this:

Opps, this RoP cleric loves children alright and feels it's just fine to share the love in the open, in front of an audience and cameras... but not quite the love for children Golda Meir imagined:


495 posted on 03/19/2005 3:11:00 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF; TBP

We are concerned here with the Bedouin Arabs who resided in the Arabian Peninsula. Here our ancestors developed civilization, but only on the coastal fringes, specially in the Southern regions that is today Yemen, and limited settled civilization around the bigger oases. Till the 7th century, we did not make any impact on global civilization, till we were united by a charismatic leader - Mohammed (yimach shmo ve-zichro - may his name and memory be obliterated). The story of Mohammed is that of a superlative genius who was born in 570 C.E.. A genius who combined in himself the role of a military strategist, a psychologist, motivator and commander of men. With a harsh childhood in which he lost his parents, he grew to manhood earlier in life than most kids of his age. But the hardships that accompanied his growth from childhood to adolescence made him an epileptic. His epileptic. fits were to play a pivotal role in his later life an create an hallucination that some god was talking to him


There is an occurrence in Mohammed’s life that is eloquent on this issue of his mental illness. Once Mohammed. and his foster brother were playing when Halima, his nurse was nursing him in the desert. Suddenly, the foster brother came running to Halima and said that Mohammed was sick. When they went out, they found a young Mohammed behind the bushes with his clothes turned up. It's possible that he was sexually assaulted; however, much later a legend was created partially by Mohammed himself that two angels in grey robe came and one split his chest open and took out the heart and removed a dark clot and then when they weighed him the whole universe weighed less than Mohammed! The possibility that he was sexually assaulted (sodomized) in his childhood seems to have made him a bitter person and could have accentuated his mental illness, but in spite of this he showed uncanny ability to manipulate and get the results he wanted. I think his mental illness could be a mild form of paranoid schizophrenia and may be some other as-yet-undiscovered mental illness. During his 'revelations' he groaned like a she-camel having a baby (which by the way is not a pleasant sound). He had directed his followers to cover him up with a blanket whenever he suffered from the epileptic fits and that's why he carried a black blanket with him all the time. This narration is the kernel of historical truth that has come down through ages of Arab folklore that grew around him.


In his early life the hardships that were bestowed on him by circumstances coupled with the misfortune of being an epileptic, made him a fiercely determined man. And he nurtured within himself a burning desire to be a leader of men. His caravan journeys that began early in his life gave him an insight into the psychological make-up of the society he lived in. His personal misfortune in this kind of a harsh environment, had made him bitter since childhood. But this personal misfortune, was set off against his being born in the clan that ruled Mecca a pilgrimage town, where all the Arab tribes came once a year in a ritual called Hajj that centered around an object of worship called the Kaaba (literally a cube). The Kaaba is actually a meteorite which fascinated the ancient tribals who were awe-struck by its flaming rush from the skies to land at Mecca. Since that day a legend grew around it that is reflected in the various version of the Books of the Semitic peoples that is known as the Old Testament of the Bible, New Testament of the Bible and the Quran. The word Quran itself is derived from the Arabic root word Qurra which means to collect, implying that Mohammed collected the content of the Quran from other sources, viz., the Old Testament (Bible) of the Jews, the New Testament of the Christians. To this content Mohammed added the bloodcurdling Satanic verses that call for slaying the idolaters. To give it legitimacy to his Quran, Mohammed floated the fiction, that the text came from a non-existent god (allah) and so no man could change what has been given by some god. In fact the Quran is basically the same book, as the Bible, with modifications made over a period of time, first by Mohammed himself and later by Islam’s many adherents, after Mohammed’s death.
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496 posted on 03/19/2005 3:34:26 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: TexasCowboy
Re #494

TC, that is an EXCELLENT plan of action.

>> they must become Americans in every way <<

THIS IS IT!

America is the greatest nation on earth. Why? Our trust in God. Our customs. Our 'Americanism'.

If you do not want to become American there is no for you and you should not come here.

America did not become a great nation because of 'multiculturalism' or 'diversity' or political correctness. America became great because when the hard tasks needed to be done Americans banded together AS ONE PEOPLE and got the job done, no matter how hard or painful.

If immigrants are so proud of their country of origin, STAY THERE!

IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BECOME AMERICAN, WE DON’T WANT YOU HERE SO STAY OUT!!!
497 posted on 03/19/2005 4:09:17 PM PST by appalachian_dweller (Mark 13:7 - And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled)
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To: USF
Think of the role Islamic ideology played in Hitler's 'final solution' - The Fuehrer wrote of the koran in Mein Kampf. Amin Al Husseini inspecting Nazi Muslim troops 1943
498 posted on 03/19/2005 4:23:45 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks
You're right Fred!

Thanks for reminding me.

The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection

Islam Q+A: "Kill the Jews"

499 posted on 03/19/2005 4:30:48 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: appalachian_dweller
This wouldn't be that difficult to do.

I propose that every Muslim in America have a personal identification card with his or her (without the veil) picture.
I propose that every mosque have a membership roll listing all Muslims who go to that mosque.
I propose that every time a Muslim goes to that mosque he or she must present the i.d. card to get in. No card, no entry.

I propose that during this year, every mosque be required to sponser three rallies denouncing the terrorists acts and the mandates of the Quran requiring slaughter of infidels, honor killings, wife beatings, FGM and all the other atrocities committed by Muslims the world over.
I propose that, during that year, every Muslim would be required to attend at least one of these rallies and their names checked from the roster of that mosque as having attended.

Habitual lying is a two edged sword. Liars don't trust anyone else to tell the truth, either.
The jihadists will know everyone at these rallies, and they won't know if they are practicing the deceit encouraged by the Quran or if they are really opposed to the jihad.

During this year, I propose a blitz of evangelical spiritual people spreading the Word of God throughout the Muslim communities.

At the end of the year is the stick.
If they have not met the requirements for becoming an AMERICAN Muslim, or if they have not converted to another faith, they get out.

500 posted on 03/19/2005 5:18:53 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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