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Archaeologist Unearths Bibical Controversy
Globe And Mail ^ | 1-25-2005 | Michael Valpy

Posted on 01/26/2005 8:44:58 PM PST by blam

Archeologist unearths biblical controversy

Artifacts from Iron Age fortress confirm Old Testament dates of Edomite kingdom

By MICHAEL VALPY
Tuesday, January 25, 2005

Canadian archeologist Russell Adams's interest is in Bronze Age and Iron Age copper production. He never intended to walk into archeology's vicious debate over the historical accuracy of the Old Testament -- a conflict likened by one historian to a pack of feral canines at each other's throats.

Yet by coincidence, Prof. Adams of Hamilton's McMaster University says, he and an international team of colleagues fit into place a significant piece of the puzzle of human history in the Middle East -- unearthing information that points to the existence of the Bible's vilified Kingdom of Edom at precisely the time the Bible says it existed, and contradicting widespread academic belief that it did not come into being until 200 years later.

Their findings mean that those scholars convinced that the Hebrew Old Testament is at best a compendium of revisionist, fragmented history, mixed with folklore and theology, and at worst a piece of outright propaganda, likely will have to apply the brakes to their thinking.

Because, if the little bit of the Old Testament's narrative that Prof. Adams and his colleagues have looked at is true, other bits could be true as well.

References to the Kingdom of Edom -- almost none of them complimentary -- are woven through the Old Testament. It existed in what is today southern Jordan, next door to Israel, and the relationship between the biblical Edomites and Israelites was one of unrelenting hostility and warfare.

The team led by Prof. Adams, Thomas Levy of the University of California at San Diego and Mohammad Najjar of the Jordanian Department of Antiquities was investigating copper mining and smelting at a site called Khirbat en-Nahas, by far the largest copper-production site in the region.

They applied high-precision radiocarbon-dating methods to some of their finds, and as they say in the British journal Antiquities, "The results were spectacular."

They firmly established that occupation of the site began in the 11th century BC and a monumental fortress was built in the 10th century BC, supporting the argument for existence of an Edomite state at least 200 years earlier than had been assumed.

What is particularly exciting about their find is that it implies the existence of an Edomite state at the time the Bible says King David and his son Solomon ruled over a powerful united kingdom of Israel and Judah.

It is the historical accuracy -- the very existence of this united kingdom and the might and splendour of David and Solomon, as well as the existence of surrounding kingdoms -- that lies at the heart of the archeological dispute.

Those scholars known as minimalists argue that what is known as "state formation" -- the emergence of regional governments and kings -- did not take place in the area until the imperialistic expansion of the Assyrian empire in the 8th century BC, so David and Solomon, rather than being mighty monarchs, were mere petty chieftains.

And because everything that takes place in the Middle East inevitably is political, the minimalist argument is seen as weakening modern Israel's claim to Palestine.

In the biblical narrative, the Edomites are the descendents of Esau, whose blessing from his father, Isaac, was stolen by his younger brother, Jacob, ancestor of the Israelites. (Fans of the British satirical-comedy group Beyond the Fringe will recall how Jacob pulled off the theft by presenting himself as the hirsute Esau to their blind father, saying in an aside: "My brother Esau is an hairy man, but I am a smooth man.")

The Edomites are lambasted in the Bible for refusing to let the Israelites rest on their land as they flee Egypt. God declares obscurely: "Over Edom will I cast out my shoe." The Israelites grumble enviously that there were kings of Edom before there were kings of Israel -- a highly significant passage because it implies that state formation occurred in Edom before it happened in Israel.

Finally, there is the biblical account of David's war against the Edomites, in which David and his general, Joab, kill 18,000 Edomites and establish military control over them by "putting garrisons throughout all Edom."

Irish scholar John Bartlett, one of the world's great experts on the Edomites, dates the battle at 990 to 980 BC, precisely when Prof. Adams and his colleagues date the fortress.

Says Prof. Adams: "This battle between the Israelites and the Edomites, although not possible to document, is typical of the sort of border conflicts between Iron Age states. And the evidence of our new dates at least proves that it may, in fact, be possible to place the Edomites in the 10th century [BC] or earlier, which now supports the chronology of the biblical accounts.

"It is intriguing that at Khirbat en-Nahas, our large Iron Age fort is dated to just this period, suggesting conflict as a central concern even at a remote copper-production site."

He concludes: "We're not out to prove the Bible right or wrong. We're not trying to be controversial. We're just trying to be good anthropologists and scientists, and tell the story of our archeological site."


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To: SandRat

Archaelogists have unearthed a site they believe to be ancient Troy - it matches the description given by Homer. Should this be used as proof that the Olympians were real gods?


41 posted on 01/27/2005 3:34:13 AM PST by PFC
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To: blam
This kind of bickering accomplished little. The dispute of the minimalists is (in my opinion) a waste of time and energy.

…so David and Solomon, rather than being mighty monarchs, were mere petty chieftains.

One people’s Mighty Monarch is another’s petty chieftain. Where is the line drawn? Is it in square miles of controlled territory, population, and accumulated wealth? If so, what is the demarcation?

Their findings mean that those scholars convinced that the Hebrew Old Testament is at best a compendium of revisionist, fragmented history, mixed with folklore and theology, and at worst a piece of outright propaganda, likely will have to apply the brakes to their thinking.

Remove the theology and I am reminded of my government school history texts – a mix of fragmented history and folklore. It also reminds me of some of the scholarly papers I have read – material that fails to back the writers point of view is ignored.
42 posted on 01/27/2005 3:48:56 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: SandRat
Gee imagine that! The Old Testament and the Torah are accurate documents as revealed by GOD.

On this point it is. That does not mean the entire work is 100% historical truth – the story of Jericho is a case in point.
43 posted on 01/27/2005 3:51:51 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: blam

Shocked to see the Globe and Mail would even touch this story. However, I'm not shocked to see the scoffers and mockers on this thread. Such was also foretold.


44 posted on 01/27/2005 4:21:26 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Youngblood
Or as a cantor put it to me, when my age was in single digits, the miracles weren't miracles because they occurred -- almost all of them are scientifically plausible. The miracle is that they happened at the exact right moment -- sometimes the exact second -- to be useful.
45 posted on 01/27/2005 4:47:39 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Who said the book of Samuel was revealed by God? Not Jews or Christians .... it was "revealed" by history and men.

Well, I know that Catholics and evangelical Christians all say the book of Samuel was divinely inspired. I guess that's close enough to revealed by God.

46 posted on 01/27/2005 5:37:58 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Dataman

Ping


47 posted on 01/27/2005 5:45:58 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: petitfour

ping


48 posted on 01/27/2005 5:49:07 AM PST by petitfour
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To: blam

bump


49 posted on 01/27/2005 6:20:27 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Just mythoughts

The Old Testament is not history - just one example of its errors - and there are many - exclude it from being a history - bbut still a useful refrence book pf myths, allegories and pseudo-history.


50 posted on 01/27/2005 6:42:39 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Junior
But everyone knows Radiocarbon dating is flawed!
/sarcasm

It works quite well when it reveals the truth. Otherwise, it's the devil's tool. (As are you!)

51 posted on 01/27/2005 6:58:29 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: ValerieUSA

"Draw them in with fascinating evidence, don't push them away with a personal, political or religious vendetta."

Vendetta???? So exposing a whole industry, whether it be political, educational, economic or religious, for hiding "truth" is a vendetta. Maybe time has come for the chips to fall where they may.

Actually one should be asking themselves what else has been hidden from the beginning!


52 posted on 01/27/2005 7:02:42 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: djf

Visit the E's their peer reviews and art work. They have figured out this earth is more than 6,000 years old but that is about it.


53 posted on 01/27/2005 7:07:39 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Who is going to take a vendetta seriously?
That is how the info will be ignored and the same old standard continue to be taught to another generation.

The historical record is not to be measured against your vendetta, nor taught according to it. That's as false a premise as the Bible-hating one is. The record must be constructed objectively, and let the evidence itself direct the world to an understanding of history that includes the Bible as an accurate account.


54 posted on 01/27/2005 7:18:24 AM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Destro

"The Old Testament is not history - just one example of its errors - and there are many - exclude it from being a history - bbut still a useful refrence book pf myths, allegories and pseudo-history."


Ok Destro whatever, not my job to pull the scales from your eyes.


55 posted on 01/27/2005 7:19:38 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: ValerieUSA
"Who is going to take a vendetta seriously?
That is how the info will be ignored and the same old standard continue to be taught to another generation."

Ah but you see, I have no vendetta, and if you had read there are some with eyes to see and ears to hear, and some are blinded for their own protection and then there are some who know the truth and spend their whole life hiding it.

Let us not forget who is in control and who allows these things to be. Check out what was told to Gideon it still applies to this day.

Judges 7:2 And the LORD said unto Gideon, "The People that are with thee are too many for ME to give the Midianites into their hands, lest Israel vaunt themselves against ME, saying, 'Mine own hand hath saved me.'

Now you cannot say for certainty that exposing those who have made a living from discrediting the Bible are not getting a little Heavenly comeuppance.
56 posted on 01/27/2005 7:29:08 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Historical errors in the Old Testament

I do not base my faith in God based on the historical errors of the book - only on the spiritual works.

The Hebrews themselves did not create the bible as a history - in fact history as a was created by the classical Greeks centuries later. The bible was created as a spiritual guide rather than a history lesson.

57 posted on 01/27/2005 7:39:29 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: ValerieUSA

You are 100% correct. The Old Testament was never written to be a history. How could they? History was invented by the Greeks centuries later.


58 posted on 01/27/2005 7:42:38 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
"I do not base my faith in God based on the historical errors of the book - only on the spiritual works."

I have yet to see you quote anything from the Bible.


"The Hebrews themselves did not create the bible as a history - in fact history as a was created by the classical Greeks centuries later. The bible was created as a spiritual guide rather than a history lesson."


Yes indeed Destro that is why Paul tells us ICorinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples (examples): and they are written for our admonition, (warning) upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

So Destro given what Paul says this is history and what took place then is the SCRIPT for which is to come. Maybe you might need to read the SCRIPT to have a clue which ensample we are repeating at this time.

But hey nobody is going to force to you read that history.
59 posted on 01/27/2005 7:45:38 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: All

Interesting.


60 posted on 01/27/2005 7:52:59 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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