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Archaeologist Unearths Bibical Controversy
Globe And Mail ^ | 1-25-2005 | Michael Valpy

Posted on 01/26/2005 8:44:58 PM PST by blam

Archeologist unearths biblical controversy

Artifacts from Iron Age fortress confirm Old Testament dates of Edomite kingdom

By MICHAEL VALPY
Tuesday, January 25, 2005

Canadian archeologist Russell Adams's interest is in Bronze Age and Iron Age copper production. He never intended to walk into archeology's vicious debate over the historical accuracy of the Old Testament -- a conflict likened by one historian to a pack of feral canines at each other's throats.

Yet by coincidence, Prof. Adams of Hamilton's McMaster University says, he and an international team of colleagues fit into place a significant piece of the puzzle of human history in the Middle East -- unearthing information that points to the existence of the Bible's vilified Kingdom of Edom at precisely the time the Bible says it existed, and contradicting widespread academic belief that it did not come into being until 200 years later.

Their findings mean that those scholars convinced that the Hebrew Old Testament is at best a compendium of revisionist, fragmented history, mixed with folklore and theology, and at worst a piece of outright propaganda, likely will have to apply the brakes to their thinking.

Because, if the little bit of the Old Testament's narrative that Prof. Adams and his colleagues have looked at is true, other bits could be true as well.

References to the Kingdom of Edom -- almost none of them complimentary -- are woven through the Old Testament. It existed in what is today southern Jordan, next door to Israel, and the relationship between the biblical Edomites and Israelites was one of unrelenting hostility and warfare.

The team led by Prof. Adams, Thomas Levy of the University of California at San Diego and Mohammad Najjar of the Jordanian Department of Antiquities was investigating copper mining and smelting at a site called Khirbat en-Nahas, by far the largest copper-production site in the region.

They applied high-precision radiocarbon-dating methods to some of their finds, and as they say in the British journal Antiquities, "The results were spectacular."

They firmly established that occupation of the site began in the 11th century BC and a monumental fortress was built in the 10th century BC, supporting the argument for existence of an Edomite state at least 200 years earlier than had been assumed.

What is particularly exciting about their find is that it implies the existence of an Edomite state at the time the Bible says King David and his son Solomon ruled over a powerful united kingdom of Israel and Judah.

It is the historical accuracy -- the very existence of this united kingdom and the might and splendour of David and Solomon, as well as the existence of surrounding kingdoms -- that lies at the heart of the archeological dispute.

Those scholars known as minimalists argue that what is known as "state formation" -- the emergence of regional governments and kings -- did not take place in the area until the imperialistic expansion of the Assyrian empire in the 8th century BC, so David and Solomon, rather than being mighty monarchs, were mere petty chieftains.

And because everything that takes place in the Middle East inevitably is political, the minimalist argument is seen as weakening modern Israel's claim to Palestine.

In the biblical narrative, the Edomites are the descendents of Esau, whose blessing from his father, Isaac, was stolen by his younger brother, Jacob, ancestor of the Israelites. (Fans of the British satirical-comedy group Beyond the Fringe will recall how Jacob pulled off the theft by presenting himself as the hirsute Esau to their blind father, saying in an aside: "My brother Esau is an hairy man, but I am a smooth man.")

The Edomites are lambasted in the Bible for refusing to let the Israelites rest on their land as they flee Egypt. God declares obscurely: "Over Edom will I cast out my shoe." The Israelites grumble enviously that there were kings of Edom before there were kings of Israel -- a highly significant passage because it implies that state formation occurred in Edom before it happened in Israel.

Finally, there is the biblical account of David's war against the Edomites, in which David and his general, Joab, kill 18,000 Edomites and establish military control over them by "putting garrisons throughout all Edom."

Irish scholar John Bartlett, one of the world's great experts on the Edomites, dates the battle at 990 to 980 BC, precisely when Prof. Adams and his colleagues date the fortress.

Says Prof. Adams: "This battle between the Israelites and the Edomites, although not possible to document, is typical of the sort of border conflicts between Iron Age states. And the evidence of our new dates at least proves that it may, in fact, be possible to place the Edomites in the 10th century [BC] or earlier, which now supports the chronology of the biblical accounts.

"It is intriguing that at Khirbat en-Nahas, our large Iron Age fort is dated to just this period, suggesting conflict as a central concern even at a remote copper-production site."

He concludes: "We're not out to prove the Bible right or wrong. We're not trying to be controversial. We're just trying to be good anthropologists and scientists, and tell the story of our archeological site."


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1 posted on 01/26/2005 8:44:58 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 01/26/2005 8:45:38 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

bump


3 posted on 01/26/2005 8:50:37 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: blam; Ragtime Cowgirl; Radix; HiJinx; Spiff; JackelopeBreeder; Da Jerdge; MJY1288; xzins; ...
...unearthing information that points to the existence of the Bible's vilified Kingdom of Edom at precisely the time the Bible says it existed,...

Gee imagine that! The Old Testament and the Torah are accurate documents as revealed by GOD.

4 posted on 01/26/2005 8:53:00 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
Gee imagine that! The Old Testament and the Torah are accurate documents as revealed by GOD.

hmmm - and more and more evidence of the truth concerning Noah's Ark - with photos! - and the information on the The Shroud of Turin soon to break into the news wider than ever, what with the 2006 winter Olympics to be held in Turin, home of the Shroud - ...think God might be turning up the volume?

5 posted on 01/26/2005 9:04:26 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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Bump


7 posted on 01/26/2005 9:09:18 PM PST by VNam68
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To: FarRightTexasDude

What?


8 posted on 01/26/2005 9:10:25 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: SandRat

I have suspected this for quite awhile.


9 posted on 01/26/2005 9:10:54 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: blam

"It is intriguing that at Khirbat en-Nahas, our large Iron Age fort is dated to just this period, suggesting conflict as a central concern even at a remote copper-production site."

I suppose copperwas used somehow to help them fight - so it WOULD be a central concern.

It was only a few years ago as I recall that they actually uncovered a historical artifact that mentions a "King David" from around that time. "Before that - it was just a story".


10 posted on 01/26/2005 9:11:56 PM PST by geopyg ("It's not that liberals don't know much, it's just that what they know just ain't so." (~ R. Reagan))
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To: FarRightTexasDude

amendments?


11 posted on 01/26/2005 9:13:55 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: blam
There are forts older than this all over that area of the middle east; how on earth does this prove or disprove the existence of an Edomite state at a particular point in time?

This is just more axe grinding: seizing any particle of "evidence" to "prove" something you already believed without proof.

12 posted on 01/26/2005 9:19:28 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: SandRat
Gee imagine that! The Old Testament and the Torah are accurate documents as revealed by GOD.

Non sequitur.

13 posted on 01/26/2005 9:20:53 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: geopyg
I suppose copperwas used somehow to help them fight - so it WOULD be a central concern.

Copper was used to make bronze, the primary metal for arms and armor. (Hence "Bronze Age".)

14 posted on 01/26/2005 9:22:24 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: geopyg
I believe the alleged artifact referred to a "house of David" which is interesting, but would be like proving that there was a president Bush of the USA, three thousand years after the fact, based on the chance discovery of a can of Bush's Baked Beans.

Piecing together archeology is like trying to put together a jigsaw puzzle, with 99% of the pieces lost or missing. Trying to make dogmatic assertions based on fragmentary evidence is a chancy business at best. You're as liable to end up with egg on your face as not.

15 posted on 01/26/2005 9:24:18 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: SedVictaCatoni

Duh! For some reason I was thinking brass - but that's fairly soft. Thanks!


16 posted on 01/26/2005 9:25:54 PM PST by geopyg ("It's not that liberals don't know much, it's just that what they know just ain't so." (~ R. Reagan))
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To: blam
"ey applied high-precision radiocarbon-dating methods to some of their finds, and as they say in the British journal Antiquities, "The results were spectacular."

Uh oh, the creationists can't use this as a win since they employ RCD to date the findings. Well, they will, but then they will say how horrible RCD is anyway.

17 posted on 01/26/2005 9:33:24 PM PST by SengirV
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To: blam
Focus on the Family produced a very interesting archaeological film series on the holy land. It is called "That the World Should Know". One of the segments is about Edom.

The story shows the ruins of one of Herod's palaces which is in the same valley as Bethlehem. The palace was one of the five largest in the world at the time of the birth of Jesus and visible from Bethlehem. It was completely walled and built on the top of a hill. It was several stories high with living quarters for Herod's family on the top floor and quarters for troops in the walls. Jesus was born literally "In the Shadow of Herod", the name of the program.

Now Herod was an Admen or Edomite. His family had built a series of palaces a day's march apart from Jerusalem down to Edom in the south. These palaces served as forts which gave him an escape route back to his family.

When Esau and Jacob were born, the promise of the Old Testament was that "the older would serve the younger".

So now picture the traditional manger scene: The shepherds approach the baby Jesus, the son of Jacob, while they can see the literal might of Herod, the descendant of Esau, in the distance. What irony! What faith! What hope!

How many times and in how many ways do we decide that "Herod" is in charge today?
18 posted on 01/26/2005 9:35:37 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: blam

BTTT


19 posted on 01/26/2005 9:37:56 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: SandRat

Who said the book of Samuel was revealed by God? Not Jews or Christians .... it was "revealed" by history and men.


20 posted on 01/26/2005 9:39:17 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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