Hillary's Poll Numbers Startling (Early 2008 Poll Numbers)

NewsMax ^ | 12/19/04

[nj26]

If the 2008 election were held today, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton would handily defeat three of the top Republicans being touted as possible candidates, a startling new survey by Fox News Opinion Dynamics shows.

In a race between Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Clinton, the New York Democrat would win by 7 points, defeating Frist 40 percent to 33 percent, according to Fox Dynamics figures cited Sunday by Angus Reid Consultants.

Matched against New York Gov. George Pataki, Clinton's margin of victory drops by 1 point, but she'd still win 41 percent to 35 percent. The former first lady would even defeat Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, 46 percent to 35 percent.

Two of the most popular Republicans, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Arizona Sen. John McCain, were not included in the survey.

However, a Quinnipiac University survey released last week showed that Giuliani would defeat Clinton 45 percent to 43 percent if he were to run for her Senate seat in 2006.

The Fox Dynamics poll also showed that John Kerry would defeat Gov. Bush if Kerry were to run again in 2008, but by a smaller margin than Clinton - 45 percent to 37 percent.

[Sooth2222]

The problem with Giuliani is that he's a pro-choice, anti-gun social "moderate." There will be a third party conservative on the ballot if Giuliani runs, mark my words.

True. Since the Republican party became a national party in 1856, there have been only TWO (2) (II.) Democrat Presidents who received a greater percentage of the popular vote than President Bush: FDR and LBJ. Even JFK couldn't break the magic 50% popular vote barrier. Generally speaking, Democrats just do not win national elections unless there is a conservative or moderate third party candidate running.

[WideGlide]

What's say we cut a year or so off this next campaign. The 4 year sweepstakes are rubbing my ass a little thin.

[BobL]

WHO IS FRIST????

[KMC1]

Too bad that she won't be actually running for another 4 YEARS! (Honestly why do polls on this stuff now...)
Sharper Minds Daily

[Viking2002]

Oh, jeezus, SHOVE THESE POLLS! I CAN'T STAND HEARING ANY MORE POLLS! AND 2008 POLLS AT THAT! GRRRRRRR!!!!!!

[CyberAnt]

And .. conveniently any match-up against Rudy is left out. Probably because it was a wipe-out with Rudy winning BIG.

And .. she has already started moving to the right.

Her current program is sending out all these attack dogs trying to discredit Rumsfeld.

[Nataku X]

I'm quite worried if Hillary wins the primary. It'd be tough "mixing it up" because most men would be very uncomfortable voting for a woman in the first slot. If Rice has first slot, we'll be battling low turnout for 2 reasons: (1) prolife vote unless Rice makes very strong pro-life changes in policy, (2) men won't be enthusiastic about choosing between 2 female presidents. But if Rice is in the 2nd slot, that'd scream "token black female" to many people. It'll be very, very tough selecting the right candidate if Hillary looks like she's a shoo-in to win the nomination...

If Hillary doesn't look like she's winning, we'll have a much wider field to pick out from like you note.

2008 is a long time away though. If you asked FR if John Kerry could win the nomination, you'd get a lot of laughs.

[jimthewiz]

Hillary could get run over by a truck tomorrow

Don't try to cheer us up.

[Nataku X]

Assuming you're serious... he's the Senate Majority Leader.

[Nataku X]

Single females. Quite frankly, I can't stand 99% of other single females... it seems that we're all stuck in 7th grade in the department of gossip, political analysis, and especially love & sex nowadays

[Calamari]

I agree that she can't afford to lose the 2006 race.

Not losing by not playing the game in 2006 is an interesting strategy.

Being out of office for 2 years before the 2008 primaries may work to her advantage by avoiding a loss that would be appended to her record. It may work against her since private citizen Hillary may be less news worthy than sitting U.S.senator Hillary. Then again the old media seems to be favorably disposed to support her at all costs and would overlook her lack of office to push her into the presidency.

Actually the fight for 2008 will again turn on the ability of the republican candidate to overcome the onslaught of the old media and get their message out to the voters. They must also get those voters to the polls. This does not depend on who the democrat candidate is. The old media will support them regardless of who they may be.

[BobL]

"Assuming you're serious... he's the Senate Majority Leader."


I'm not serious (and thanks for catching on). I was making a point that if no one ever heard of you, it's difficult to do well in a presidential poll. If I remember correctly, Bill Clinton was down by about 50 points going into 1992, as no one ever heard of him either.

These polls are sickening and deceiving. There is no way to conduct a fair poll unless there is a fairly even level of name recognition. Even though I can't stand Arnold, putting him up against Hillary (even if unconstitutional) would be a much, much, better way to gage Hillary's strength.

[nj26]

"I'm quite worried if Hillary wins the primary."

I wouldn't be concerned at all if we nominate the right candidate. A "red state", socially conservative leader with very strong personal morals and conservative principles. And then paint Hillary as the New York liberal, radical feminist, unprincipled carpetbagger that she is. And, if you had somebody with true conservative principles, you could make fun of her changing views on immigration and her other "sharp rightward turns." And then go out there, and clean up with every socially conservative voter, blue collar men, and the anti-Beltway crowd.

But, running Giuliani or McCain, it looks like she a clear shot. I don't understand how Giuliani, for example, would differentiate himself from her. He has bad morals too. His positions are very similar, and she will be to his right on several issues (immigration, etc) by 2008.

[oceanview]

if she pulls out of the 2006 race, she will be on Oprah immediately, talking about 2008.

[BobL]

I guess the other point is that there are huge number of people that would never, ever, vote for her. It's around 40% - that's leaves her very little room for error.

In the end, watch Mark Warner (gov. of Virgina), and John Breaux (retiring senator from Louisiana). Either one could legitimately get Republican votes, and Breaux would take Louisiana for sure, and possibly even be competitive in Texas. He is a classy guy. Hillary is a 8itch.

[Calamari]

Probably a good prediction.

She may develop some health problem or need to spend time caring for Bill or some other tear jerker so that she plays up the sympathy factor. Yup, not a dry eye in the house.

[BobL]

Giuliani is dead, due to that police chief fallout - so don't worry about him. McCain still needs to show, in some way, that he is a Republican, so he's unlikely.

[Calamari]

see post 71.

[Alberta's Child]

This poll has been rigged, because none of the three people identified as "top Republican contenders" has any chance in hell of getting the GOP nomination in 2008.

[Alberta's Child]

"Check this out" ping.