New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]

CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

[TastyManatees]

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

[P-Marlowe]

They were lucky to have electric typewriters back in 1972, much less one capable of proportional spacing and reduced sized superscript. Those machines were prohibitively expensive back then.

This is really a bad forgery. One almost has to conclude that whoever forged it wanted it to be discovered as a forgery. Or they are just too stupid for words.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping! Post 159 really got my attention.

[dmartin]

First I saw of this. Not only are the fonts modern but their 'expert' should take a look at the change in style the commander is using and the color range of these documents.

[cyncooper]

I do have an open mind!

[Diddle E. Squat]

You really should give credit to Freepers Buckhead and Howlin, who started this whole line of scrutiny.

Buckhead appears to have been the first to question the font, in post #47 of this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210662/posts?page=47#47

which was a reply to Howlin's post #11 of same thread.


Howlin then started a new thread specifically to examine and question the authenticity of the documents:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210702/posts


Whether or not the font turns out to be legit or bogus (I think the 'K' differences in the signature may be the most likely weak link in the authenticity), credit should be given where credit is due.

[pointsal]

Lying dogs at CBS

[Atlas Sneezed]

Look at the "K".

In the authetic signature, the "K" is made with an initial "checkmark" or "V" formed by a downstroke and a connected upward-swinging (and convex downward) diagonal stroke to the upper right, without the pen lifting. The pen lifts (after an apparent hook at the top of the upstroke) and then forms the second diagonal stroke toward the lower left. Then, without lifting, it forms the "i" and remining letters in a zig-zagging style.

In the suspect signature, the "K" is formed by a downstroke, with the pen lifting, and beginning the upper diagonal stroke FROM the upper right (after an initial loop above the stroke); the pen does not lift as it moves left of the vertical stroke, and loops back to form the lower diagonal, after which it lifts before beginning the tight, looping reminder of the name.

I am not a handwriting expert, but after studing and practicing the writing of Chinese characters, one becomes very sensitive to the direction and sequence of strokes.

[Just mythoughts]

LOL Thanks.

I have been wondering where that Italian guy is, that the French used to create those forgeries that brought fame and fortune to Joe Wilson.

[B Knotts]

One almost has to conclude that whoever forged it wanted it to be discovered as a forgery.

That is exactly the thought that has been going through my head this morning.

[TomGuy]

Also, some boxes appear to be typed with a newer ribbon and some with an older/faint ribbon---and not necessarily sequential from top to bottom.

[marty60]

Whoa, I didn't understand to much about the type problem. But, any one can see the signatures are a forgery.

[Lynne]

I was a secretary in the 70's. The IBM Selectric had two font selections: Courier 10 and Elite 12. I think there were still a LOT of companies still using manuals. IBM also had another typewriter that had proportional spacing. I don't remember what year I used that one, but I remember that a small "i" counted for 1, and a capital W counted for 5. It was a BEAR to do columns, margins and the like. Had to count everything!! Sometime before 78 the law firm I was working for tried the newfangled Savin word processor. I don't remember what the fonts were on that one because I didn't like it and wouldn't use it. (How far I've come!!)

[cyncooper]

CBS states that it "consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic." ~~~~~~~~~~~~

I wonder why CBS would feel the need to do so?

Because CBS admits they did not have Killian's actual personal file. They were given these memos by an unnamed someone they refuse to identify who claimed the memos came from Killian's file.

[marty60]

I've sent a few.

[Darksheare]

Those were not signed by the same person.
My signature's smaller case hand writing may change, but the way I sign my capital letters does not change like that.

Others may scoff, but that 'minor' difference amounts to a drastic change in one's writing style.
I'm no hand writing expert either, but the above is what I've heard, been told, and read/personally experienced.
(I draw, changing one's handwriting style is a necessity while doing that for lettering purposes.)

[Dr.Deth]

CBS is just being CBS, true to the way they have operated since the Vietnam war and before.

True dat, still reeking of Walter Com-Kite.

[Rokke]

I haven't read this thread, but I believe the White House issued these same documents. Is the White House issuing forgaries. The entire issue is irrelevent. It is a tempest in a teapot. Nobody has, or will vote for Bush based on his Guard experience.

[Travis McGee]

To: MineralMan

from link...

The IBM Executive typewriter I found at a garage sale was magnificent, and (having been long since replaced by the Selectric), dirt cheap. Only somebody with a PhD in secretarial skills could operate it. It was a proportional spacing machine: an 'm' was five spaces wide, an 'i' was two. There were two separate space bars (two and three spaces respectively). To correct a mistake, you had to know the width of all the characters involved so that you could backspace the appropriate amount (backspace was the only single-space key on the machine). There was an arcane procedure for producing justified type which involved typing a page a first time (while using a special guide to measure where the lines ended), noting the extra spaces that needed to be added, marking the copy to show where two-width spaces would be replaced with three-width spaces (or, in the worst case, two two-width spaces), and typing the page a second time.

60 posted on 09/09/2004 7:24:01 AM PDT by igoramus987

Read the bolded, and tell me if it's within the bounds of reality that this procedure was performed on this arcane machine for a memorandum in the ANG in 1972.

Occam's Razor screams FORGERY! The forger didn't take the proportional spacing into account when he ginned up this fake on his PC.

[Darksheare]

LOL!
I'll just sit down here and watch.
Been reading this and a bunch of things don't add up with the memos.

[MistyCA]

One of the memos says "not later than (NLT)" and my husband said it would not have been shown that way. You use the NLT as an acceptable abbreviation and there is no reason to have spelled it out. It would not be considered military form in his opinion.

Many questions about these memos. I hope the media questions their authenticity. As should the WH, obviously!