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Montreal man downed u.S. Plane, CSIS told
National Post ^ | Aug. 27, 2004 | Stewart Bell

Posted on 08/27/2004 10:25:04 AM PDT by spyone

Stewart Bell National Post

A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.

Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.

The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid, a "Top Secret" Canadian government report says.

But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane.

"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."

Jdey, 39, came to Canada from Tunisia in 1991 and became a citizen in 1995. Shortly after getting his Canadian passport, he left for Afghanistan and trained with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to the 9/11 commission in the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at canada.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 587; abderraoufjdey; alqaeda; americanairlines; canuckistan; faroukthetunisian; flight587; jdey; jfk; jihadinamerica; pagingartbell; planecrash; reid; religionofpieces; shoebomber; whatdoesdebkasay
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1 posted on 08/27/2004 10:25:04 AM PDT by spyone
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To: spyone

That's confirmation I've been waiting for a long time. Don't know how reliable the source is, but the terrorism involved with that crash seemed about as obvious as the double Russian crashes the other day.


2 posted on 08/27/2004 10:27:51 AM PDT by LikeLight (__________________________)
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To: LikeLight

Bookmark


3 posted on 08/27/2004 10:29:33 AM PDT by TXLady
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To: spyone

The first thing I would like to know is if this guy was even on the plane. Unfortunately, the article is unclear on that point.


4 posted on 08/27/2004 10:30:57 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: LikeLight

The logical question ... was this guy onboard?


5 posted on 08/27/2004 10:31:57 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: spyone

silly canadians... move along, nothing to see here...


6 posted on 08/27/2004 10:33:30 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: vbmoneyspender


You're right, pretty cloudy on if the guy was on the plane.

However, if the guy wasn't on the plane, it would make the argument that he caused the crash suspect.

There should be a passenger manifest somewhere.




7 posted on 08/27/2004 10:34:00 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: LikeLight
I agree with you. But let's look at it another way. Suppose we KNOW it's terrorism but we can't connect a WHO. I might just hold the info until I can make a connection. This little creep is saying there is a connection but not telling us the right WHO and we need the right WHO because we need HIS connections.

There will be hundreds of evenets which will remain classified for a very long time!

8 posted on 08/27/2004 10:34:04 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: LikeLight

I have always felt that the government covered that incident up because the public was still reeling from the 9/11 horror and the airline industry lobbyists were in a panic.

Agencies can only cover up so much terrorism before the public gets wise and stops believing in their government. I wish we'd learn the truth about this and OKC--which I also believe was never fully explained...


9 posted on 08/27/2004 10:34:11 AM PDT by demnomo
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To: vbmoneyspender
Flight 587: final passenger list
10 posted on 08/27/2004 10:35:53 AM PDT by hankbrown
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To: spyone; All

Seeking Information Graphic Banner

Abderraouf Jdey

FBI Laboratory Retouch photograph of Abderraouf Jdey Photograph of Abderraouf Jdey Photograph of Abderraouf Jdey
Passport-type Photo Found with Suicide Letter
Original
FBI Laboratory Photographic Retouch

Aliases: Abd Al-Rauf Bin Al-Habib Bin Yousef Al-Jiddi, Abderraouf Dey, A. Raouf Jdey, Abdal Ra'Of Bin Muhammed Bin Yousef Al-Jadi, Farouq Al-Tunisi, Abderraouf Ben Habib Jeday

DESCRIPTION

Date of Birth Used: May 30, 1965 Hair: Brown
Place of Birth: Tunisia Eyes: Brown
Height: 6'0" Complexion: Olive
Weight: 209 pounds Sex: Male

DETAILS

Abderraouf Jdey is being sought in connection with possible terrorist threats in the United States.

SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS

IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS PERSON, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE OR THE NEAREST AMERICAN EMBASSY OR CONSULATE.

Graphic Signature of Robert S. Mueller, III
ROBERT S. MUELLER, III
DIRECTOR
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20535
TELEPHONE: (202) 324-3000
 

11 posted on 08/27/2004 10:36:04 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Dog; seamole; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Allan; TrebleRebel; Mitchell; swarthyguy
IIRC the 9/11 Commission said Jdey was in reserve for the "second wave" attacks. The Commission report was coy, it did not identify what the attacks would be, and only basically said that KSM put them on hold due to the 9/11 planning - without discussing when, how much later the attacks would occur.

A big hole in the 9/11 report. Along with absolving the Saudi government, but mentioning as an aside that Saudi charties close to the govt. could have been involved.

12 posted on 08/27/2004 10:36:09 AM PDT by Shermy (Cropdusters?)
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To: spyone

Abderraouf Jdey

http://www.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/jdey.htm


13 posted on 08/27/2004 10:36:11 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: spyone
"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board."There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."

I don't know about the rest of you folks but such a confident, NOT, statement coming from the governmental body charged with invetigating this event puts any rumors of sabotage to rest in my mind.

/sacoff

14 posted on 08/27/2004 10:36:53 AM PDT by Dad2Angels
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To: demnomo
and the airline industry lobbyists were in a panic.

Until 9/11 I little considered the power of the airline lobby in this country. It's immense. They got indemnities and bonanza after bonanza of corporate welfare.

15 posted on 08/27/2004 10:38:33 AM PDT by Shermy (Cropdusters?)
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To: BluH2o

Just checked the passanger list for Flight 587 -- No one with first or last names of Jdey, Abderraouf, or Farouk on board.


16 posted on 08/27/2004 10:38:36 AM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: LikeLight; Dog; Dog Gone; Peach; oceanview; blam; xzins; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Mitchell; GOPJ; ...
A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.

The WORLD has AQ 'terrorists'.............AQanadia has....AQ Operatives.....that's .....queer...

/sarcasm

17 posted on 08/27/2004 10:39:27 AM PDT by maestro
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To: LikeLight

Wonder if he missed his flight like mousouie? (sp)


18 posted on 08/27/2004 10:39:33 AM PDT by Netizen (Abortion is not a choice -- it's murder. The only 'choice' is which method of birth control to use.)
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To: All
Officials say "it is unlikely that Jday was actually involved in the crash"

Take the bulls*** away and then interpret it.

19 posted on 08/27/2004 10:39:53 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: demnomo

There are those among us who still think the steel cutting charges detonated at OK City was done by a lone Timmy McViegh and fertilizer...

Nichols was not at the scene...


20 posted on 08/27/2004 10:40:45 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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