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1 posted on 08/27/2004 10:25:04 AM PDT by spyone
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To: spyone

That's confirmation I've been waiting for a long time. Don't know how reliable the source is, but the terrorism involved with that crash seemed about as obvious as the double Russian crashes the other day.


2 posted on 08/27/2004 10:27:51 AM PDT by LikeLight (__________________________)
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To: spyone

The first thing I would like to know is if this guy was even on the plane. Unfortunately, the article is unclear on that point.


4 posted on 08/27/2004 10:30:57 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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silly canadians... move along, nothing to see here...


6 posted on 08/27/2004 10:33:30 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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Abderraouf Jdey

FBI Laboratory Retouch photograph of Abderraouf Jdey Photograph of Abderraouf Jdey Photograph of Abderraouf Jdey
Passport-type Photo Found with Suicide Letter
Original
FBI Laboratory Photographic Retouch

Aliases: Abd Al-Rauf Bin Al-Habib Bin Yousef Al-Jiddi, Abderraouf Dey, A. Raouf Jdey, Abdal Ra'Of Bin Muhammed Bin Yousef Al-Jadi, Farouq Al-Tunisi, Abderraouf Ben Habib Jeday

DESCRIPTION

Date of Birth Used: May 30, 1965 Hair: Brown
Place of Birth: Tunisia Eyes: Brown
Height: 6'0" Complexion: Olive
Weight: 209 pounds Sex: Male

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Abderraouf Jdey is being sought in connection with possible terrorist threats in the United States.

SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS

IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS PERSON, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE OR THE NEAREST AMERICAN EMBASSY OR CONSULATE.

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ROBERT S. MUELLER, III
DIRECTOR
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UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20535
TELEPHONE: (202) 324-3000
 

11 posted on 08/27/2004 10:36:04 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Dog; seamole; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Allan; TrebleRebel; Mitchell; swarthyguy
IIRC the 9/11 Commission said Jdey was in reserve for the "second wave" attacks. The Commission report was coy, it did not identify what the attacks would be, and only basically said that KSM put them on hold due to the 9/11 planning - without discussing when, how much later the attacks would occur.

A big hole in the 9/11 report. Along with absolving the Saudi government, but mentioning as an aside that Saudi charties close to the govt. could have been involved.

12 posted on 08/27/2004 10:36:09 AM PDT by Shermy (Cropdusters?)
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Abderraouf Jdey

http://www.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/jdey.htm


13 posted on 08/27/2004 10:36:11 AM PDT by jimbo123
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"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board."There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."

I don't know about the rest of you folks but such a confident, NOT, statement coming from the governmental body charged with invetigating this event puts any rumors of sabotage to rest in my mind.

/sacoff

14 posted on 08/27/2004 10:36:53 AM PDT by Dad2Angels
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Oh, no, the NTSB/FBI/KGB assured us that the crash of Flight 587 was not terrorism.

All those witnesses who saw flames erupting from the fuselage were mistaken or crazy, just like the TWA Flight 800 eyewitnesses.

22 posted on 08/27/2004 10:41:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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Here is the google search for this guy, I dont have time to go through it but it might be interesting if he is "the spokes hole" for other mysterious "accidents"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Ted+Lopatkiewicz%22&btnG=Google+Search


26 posted on 08/27/2004 10:45:59 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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This can't be. I am in shock here. I guess the next report will state that Flight 800 was shot out of the sky.

Where is my cheese?


29 posted on 08/27/2004 10:47:16 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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... "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us --"

Covering your @$$ I see.


31 posted on 08/27/2004 10:48:58 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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Imagine the irony of getting on a plane to die for Allah, but before you get the chance, the plane goes down on its own because of mechanical failures!!!!!

You don't get to die for Allah. You don't get any credit. And worst of all, you don't get any of the 72 virgins!

Major bummer!!


36 posted on 08/27/2004 10:50:58 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: spyone

From the description of events taken from the black box, it doesn't sound consistant with a bomb.

Accident Sequence
The NTSB calculated that the time between flight 587’s liftoff from Runway 31L until impact with the ground was 103 seconds. The flight data recorder (FDR) recorded data for about 93 seconds after liftoff and the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) continued to record information until at or about the time of the plane’s impact with the ground.

Based on radar data, flight 587 took off approximately 105 seconds behind a Japan Airlines 747. The FDR indicates that flight 587 encountered two wake vortices generated by JAL flight 47. The second wake encounter occurs about 8 seconds before the end of the FDR data. For the first few seconds after the second wake encounter, the aircraft responded to flight control inputs. Both wake encounters averaged about 0.1 G lateral (side to side) movement. During the last 8 seconds of FDR data, the plane experienced three stronger lateral movements, two to the right of 0.3 and 0.4 Gs, and then one to the left of 0.3 Gs. These lateral forces corresponded in time with rudder movements. The NTSB continues to investigate the cause of the rudder movements.

The FDR’s rudder data becomes unreliable about 2.5 seconds before the end of the recording, and sound spectrum analysis shows that engine sounds can be heard on the cockpit voice recorder beyond that point.

The rudder and tail fin were found first in the wreckage path, followed by the engines and then by the main wreckage impact point at the intersection of Newport and 131st Street, Belle Haven, New York.


40 posted on 08/27/2004 10:55:35 AM PDT by Wayne07
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What a goofy and poorly written article.

I have no doubt that al Qaeda was involved, but this poorly written article will not help.

This is not an attack on you, but an observation of the writer of the article.


45 posted on 08/27/2004 11:00:40 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: spyone

Interesting site by someone who lived in Queens:

http://www.usread.com/

Thyey seems to have pretty reasoned thouths as to why it was not an accident.


47 posted on 08/27/2004 11:01:47 AM PDT by Wayne07
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To: spyone

As soon as Richard Reid was arrested I said on FR right away...this was what took this flight down.


53 posted on 08/27/2004 11:08:29 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Absalom, Absalom, Absalom....)
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To: spyone

Fascinating.

Also see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/778902/posts --it has some fascinating posts. Note in particular the opinions of "RandyRep", who states he is a recently retired aerodynamicist. His posts hold water, IMHO. There are also links to videos of the doomed flight (by a construction crew and by tool-booth cameras), the transcript of the cockpit crew's utterances, and the NTSB's animated reconstruction of the flight's final moments. I hope most of these links are still live.

The evidence is substantial that the design of the composite tail is fundamentally flawed... which was my own early suspicion, having some early career exposure to post-mortem of composite aerospace parts. The hesitation in release of NTSA conclusions might also relate to the sensitivity of calling the airworthiness of Airbus' design into question at this time of severe economic stress on the airline industry.

On the other hand--and more pertinent to today's disclosure--the "outies" visible in http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2001/AA587/tailcomp.htm ("Center and aft attachment points (left side)" in particular) have yet to be explained to my satisfaction and have been fingered by some as evidence of an explosion in the cabin.

As a frequent flyer, it has proven impossible to avoid Airbuses. I remain uncomfortable on them and prefer Boeing, thankyouverymuch. I do not like the Airbus tail design which lacks an internal vertical spar to bear the side-loads and attach to the airframe. And, fundamentally, tails shouldn't fall off of planes.


55 posted on 08/27/2004 11:12:21 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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Outies:



From http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2001/AA587/tailcomp.htm
58 posted on 08/27/2004 11:13:46 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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Anybody who takes an international flight out of JFK Airport in New York City is crazy. Just go back over the last ten years and see how many airline crashes with specious causes have originated there. I can think of four of them right off the top of my head.

1. TWA Flight 800
2. Egypt Air Flight 990 (the one that was -- or wasn't -- a suicide mission by the pilot or co-pilot)
3. That SwissAir flight that crashed off the coast of Newfoundland
4. American Airlines Flight 587

69 posted on 08/27/2004 11:28:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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Ping for later.
Doubt this will get much play, even if true. Fact is the powers that be have a vested interest in ignoring "isolated incidences".


84 posted on 08/27/2004 12:35:06 PM PDT by redgolum
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