Posted on 08/13/2004 7:18:34 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
Do you have any pets that have made an impact on you personally? Kerry: I have always had pets in my life and there are a few that I remember very fondly. When I was serving on a swiftboat in Vietnam, my crewmates and I had a dog we called VC. We all took care of him, and he stayed with us and loved riding on the swiftboat deck. I think he provided all of us with a link to home and a few moments of peace and tranquility during a dangerous time. One day as our swiftboat was heading up a river, a mine exploded hard under our boat. After picking ourselves up, we discovered VC was MIA. Several minutes of frantic search followed after which we thought we'd lost him. We were relieved when another boat called asking if we were missing a dog. It turns out VC was catapulted from the deck of our boat and landed confused, but unhurt, on the deck of another boat in our patrol.
I heard Kerry showed Edwards his brown star!
Bzzzttt.
BS
Yes, I have managed to keep that much straight in all of the hub-bub!
Still, it's a good question, and one should be able to explain what Thurlow did to merit the award.
Kerry's own puffed-up piece, as recapitulated by Brinkley, sheds light on the matter. Thurlow was first to board PCF-3 after it was disabled by the mine and everybody on it (PCF-3) was wounded. He (Thurlow) was tending to wounded while PCF-3 was underway, without anyone at the helm. That's dangerous in it's own right, and certainly demonstrates a measure of bravery different from helping a man out of the water, from an operational boat.
That's right, but I read last week, when this all blew up, that Rasmann had put Kerry in for the award.
Maybe I'm being paranoid and completely suspicious, but, there is something unholy about Kerry.
The physics just don't make sense.
For the boat to have been hit hard enough to fling a dog off of the deck onto another boat, the boat would have had to have been torn to shreds. The dog would have only accelerated as fast as the boat- and wouldn't they have decelerated at the same rate, 9.8 m/s2? How would the boat fling the dog without flying though the air itself? At very least it would have been flipped over. Of course, the boat would probably have been destroyed first.
Also, if the explosion came from underneath, wouldn't the dog have been thrown mostly vertically? To get the dog onto another boat would require more of a horizontal component that I can figure happening without sending the dog to far into the air to survive the landing.
There were no bullet holes. I would wager that Thurlow's Bronze Star citation does not reference enemy fire (other than the mine). Otherwise his testimony is bunk. IIRC, he is one of the voices on the advertisement, and therefore has prepared an affidavit.
http://frwebgate3.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=46003629903+6+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve
Here's more: Others in the ad back up that account. Jack Chenoweth, who was a Lieutenant (junior grade) commanding PCF-3, said Kerry's boat "fled the scene" after a mine blast disabled PCF-3, and returned only later "when it was apparent that there was no return fire." And Larry Thurlow, who says he commanded a third Swift Boat that day, says "Kerry fled while we stayed to fight," and returned only later "after no return fire occurred."
Fine, but the question is does Thurlow's Bronze Star citation mention ememy fire? If it does and he's now saying that there was none then this thing is going to blow up in our faces.
There's a whole bunch of reasons this can't be true. Along with Jim I'm shocked nobody has gotten it yet.
1. Kerry would have been under emotional distress had he lost the dog for that long of a time and have four purple hearts now.
2. The dog hasn't been on Larry King or at any rallies vouching this is all true.
3. Had this really happened Kerry would have returned to the scene with his video camera and after some fat guy jumps in the river to make a cannonball splash Kerry would have tossed the dog in to the air over and over again until it landed on the other boat.
4. It's not in the Congressional Record.
5. It's cruel the way that dog was thrown into the air by that mine. If Kerry was going to allow his boat to hit a mine, it would have been a more sensitive mine.
6. It can't be true because unlike Pres Bush after the planes hit the WTC, Kerry would have immediately taken action and dived into the water to find the dog and give it mouth to mouth resuscitation.
But, if it weren't for those things, I'd believe it for sure.
The horror.
Fine, but none of this is answering my question:
Does Thurlow's Bronze Star Citation talk about enemy fire?
someone else recieve a bronze star that day? are you sure?
Thurlow can get his bronze star without enemy fire. Kerry can not. It is just that simple. To demand they be tied together with a common thread of enemy fire is a canard. A pretty clever one, and I bet lots of people trip over it.
I'll see if I can find a copy of Thurlow's citation.
I hope like hell that you're right. The alternative is not very going to be very pretty.
"The physics just don't make sense"
6ou gotta remember we are in Kerrys world, where the Mekong is made of lemonade and VC carry lolly pops. This guy is a rat and anyone with even a 1/2 open mind can see this dude has 0 credibility
I DONT KNOW... how would you find out... is it in the book "unfit for command" ?
As recounted in the attached affidavits of three on-scene participants (and verified by many others present) Kerry's operating report, Bronze Star story, and subsequent "no man left behind" story are a total hoax on the Navy and the nation. As recounted in the affidavits of Van Odell (Exhibit 6), Jack Chenoweth (Exhibit 7), and Larry Thurlow (Exhibit 10) (and verified by every other officer present and many others), a mine went off under PCF 3 -- some yards from Kerry's boat. The force of the explosion disabled PCF 3 and knocked several sailors, dazed, into the water. All boats, except one, closed to rescue the sailors and defend the disabled boat. That boat -- Kerry's boat -- fled the scene. After a short period, it was evident to all on the scene that there was no additional hostile fire. Thurlow began the daring rescue of disabled PCF 3, while Chenoweth began to pluck dazed survivors of PCF 3 from the water. Midway through the process, after it was apparent that there was no hostile fire, Kerry finally returned, picking up Rassman who was only a few yards from Chenoweth's boat which was also going to pick Rassman up. Each of the affiants (and many other Swiftees on the scene that day) are certain that Kerry has wholly lied about the incident. Consider this: How could the disabled PCF abandon the scene of the mine? Why did Kerry have to "return" to the scene?
Kerry's account of this action, which was used to secure the Bronze Star and a third Purple Heart, is an extraordinary example of fraud. Kerry describes "boats rcd heavy A/W and S/A from both banks. Fire continued for about 5000 meters." Exhibit 17. In other words, the boats went through a double gauntlet at about 50 yards distance that was 3.2 miles long (comparable to Seminary Ridge at Gettysburg on two sides), and yet none of the other boats within feet of Kerry's boat heard a shot or suffered an injury after the PCF 3 mine explosion, except for John Kerry's buttocks rice wound of earlier origin.
Clearly, Van Odell is right when he says, "John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star . . . I know. I was there. I saw what happened." As Jack Chenoweth swore, "his account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day." Most poignantly, Larry Thurlow, whose brave actions saved the PCF 3 boat thatday after Kerry fled, has the right to say, "When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry."
The mine?
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