50 Ancient Tombs Uncovered (1400BC, Crete)

The Australian ^ | 7-18-2004

[blam]

50 ancient tombs uncovered

From correspondents in Athens
July 18, 2004

ARCHEOLOGISTS have discovered 50 tombs dating back to the late Minoan period, around 1400 BC, and containing a number of artifacts on the Greek island of Crete, ANA news agency reported today.

The tombs were part of the once powerful ancient city of Kydonia, which was destroyed at the time but later rebuilt.

The oldest among them contained bronze weapons, jewellery and vases and are similar to the tombs of fallen soldiers of the Mycenaean type from mainland Greece, said the head of the excavations, Maria Vlazaki.

The more recent family tombs are of a more traditional Kydonia type.

Earlier excavations in the area in northwest Crete near the town of Chania had already yielded some 100 burial sites

[Cronos]

It seems obvious to me that Atlantis was North and South America.

And why "obviously"? I would mostly discount the entire Atlantis legend as, even if there is a grain of truth in it, Plato mythologized it to such a great extent, it's not really true any more. It may have been a small village that was drowned under the sea or it may have been more. Plato is not a satisfactory source to declare that Atlantis did ever exist at all.

[Cronos]

Exodus

I've read a number of books that place the Exodus in that time period -- I am inclined to agree with you -- that would mean that the Pharoah talked about was NOT Ramsses but an earlier Pharoah.

I read in some book (can't remember the name) that hypothesised that the the Exodus was BEFORE the invasion of the Hyksos. The proof put forth was compelling -- it stated that:

1. The Exodus was a major event in Egyptian history but its not mentioned because an even greater incident occurred that made everyone forget about the lesser things -- it's much more earth shattering if your people become slaves rather than losing slaves
2. The Israelis are recorded in the bible as having attacked Midianites who seem to have been heading in the opposite direction -- so these may have been the Hyksos?

Of course there are compelling proofs on the other theory -- that Jacob came across during the time of the Hyksos -- since they were evidently a Semitic people, they would have welcomed another Semitic group. Correspondingly, when the Egyptians reconquered their land, they would have been harsh to what they perceived as the evil-doers who had conquered the sacred land of Egypt.

[SunkenCiv]

Plato mythologized it to such a great extent

That's the same argument raised about Homer. I do however agree to some extent, in that the really obviously made-up details -- the colors of rocks, the interior of a building -- are the very ones seized on by the "Thera was Atlantis" crowd, even as they claim that Plato "must have" had the location, size, and dates wrong. As Emilio Spedicato said:

This theory, which is widely accepted today, requires so many substantial changes to the Platonic text, that it is equivalent in our opinion to rejecting the text. Other theories which require substantial changes include those of Spanuth, who put Atlantis in Helgoland, and of James, who related Atlantis with the capital of the ancient kingdom of Tantalus, in western Turkey, which was apparently destroyed by a great mud flow. An intriguing identification of Atlantis with the Lesser Antarctica peninsula in Antarctica has been proposed by Barbiero and redeveloped by Flem-Ath. The idea that the Atlantis story derives from a memory of the flooding of the continental shelf of Northern Europe following the increase of the sea level after the end of the last glaciation has been developed by Castellani].Galactic Encounters, Apollo Objects And Atlantis: a Catastrophical Scenario For Discontinuities In Human History

There's an old joke; a man is obviously looking for something he must have dropped on the sidewalk. Another man stops to help, asking him what he's looking for. "My glasses. I lost them inside the restaurant." "Why are you looking for them out here?" "Because the light's better." While it is likely that human civilization first bloomed on what is now the continental shelf, unlike Blam, that doesn't mean Plato knew anything about any of them. But he tells us where and when, so that's how the looking needs to be done.

Plato gave a time frame that makes it difficult to accept the tale as folklore. Instead, he gives the source of the story as a tale heard by Solon while in Egypt. If Plato were crafting the tale in order to suspend disbelief, then launch into a tale of his ideal society (which he expounded on in "The Republic"), he may have included details of an invented Egyptian original. Or, there may have been an actual Egyptian original of the story (a later Greek sojourner in Egypt reported seeing the tale engraved in some temple there), obviously written down thousands of years after all of it happened, meaning that it was folkloric long before Plato reported hearing it third- or fourth-hand.

[blam]

"there may have been an actual Egyptian original of the story (a later Greek sojourner in Egypt reported seeing the tale engraved in some temple there), obviously written down thousands of years after all of it happened, meaning that it was folkloric long before Plato reported hearing it third- or fourth-hand."

The pyramid building 'Egyptians' arrived at about the same time as the Sumerians (probably the same people?) and they claim to have come from the east in ships. My guess is that they were refugees from an area that had gone underwater due to Ice Age melt...the tale of Atlantis may be their story of their homeland. Noah's Flood may just be another interpertation of the same flooding.

[Shanda]

Did you know that Ramses the Great had red wavy hair?

[blam]

"Did you know that Ramses the Great had red wavy hair?"

No, I didn't. What's your source.

[Shanda]

I saw it right here on FR.

Two people were discussing it. One did not agree that he had red hair. The other one showed him the places where he could find the info on the internet. The one who denied it changed his mind and agreed that he did indeed have red hair.

I do remember that his mummy is in France and French scientists studied some of his hair folicles with an electron microscope. They said there is no doubt about it. The fact that his hair was dyed with henna had no effect on their study. I think they surmised that it was dyed red to restore it to his youthful color.

Also very strong evidence that King David had red hair.

[blam]

I did a search and found this on a paranormal/ufo site:

Red Haired Mummies Of Egypt

[SunkenCiv]

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[ArmedNReady]

"Each filled with registered democrats and Kerry 2004 bumper stickers."

I'll bet the missing absentee ballots that would have shown Kerry won the election were in there as well. It's to be expected Cretans would vote for Kerry.

[wallcrawlr]

Exodus discussion and interesting thread

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[SunkenCiv]

Discoveries at Khania in Western Crete
An Interview with Maria Andreadaki-Vlasiki
http://www.athenapub.com/11khania.htm

"The modern town of Khania lies just above the ruins of the Classical city of Kydonia and the Minoan settlement of the same name, at least during the Creto-Mycenaean times (1400-1100 BC) (fig.1). Due to this, every year, rescue excavations are conducted under my direction. In the meantime, systematic excavations are held on the Kastelli Hill, where the Minoan center and the Classical acropolis lie. Systematic work was begun in 1965 by Dr. Yannis Tzedakis. In the Haghia Aikaterini Square a joint Greek-Swedish team conducts the excavations under the direction of Dr. Tzedakis and Dr. Hallager... The archives of Linear A tablets, roundels, and nodules: This archive consists of 97 pieces of clay tablets, 122 roundels, and 28 nodules, inscribed with Linear A syllabograms and ideograms (fig.4). They contain lists of agricultural products and censuses of people and animals, and attest to the functioning of an advanced administrative system connected with the centralized economy of a powerful society. The Khania settlement holds the second position among the Minoan centers as far as the number of Linear A tablets is concerned, and the first position in terms of the number of roundels."

[SunkenCiv]

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[Grizzled Bear]

Yes but did they have flush toilets?

That is what I call civilized.

True. But when toilet paper becomes a luxury, you have achieved communism.