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Missile kills Pakistan tribal head
CNN ^ | Friday, June 18 | Syed Mohsin Naqvi

Posted on 06/17/2004 11:16:30 PM PDT by AdmSmith

ISLAMABAD (CNN) -- A tribal leader accused of harboring Al Qaeda militants in Pakistan's western border region was killed Thursday night in a targeted missile strike, according to Pakistan intelligence sources. The Associated Press quoted an army spokesman Friday as identifying the tribal leader as Nek Mohammed, a former Taliban fighter.

He was killed late Thursday at the home of another tribal chief, the spokesman said.

"We were tracking him down and he was killed last night by our hand," Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press.

(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...


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To: dljordan

n official statements, Pakistan says it backs a peaceful resolution in Afghanistan. But if there is one global capital where the Taliban victory was greeted with barely disguised glee, it was in Islamabad. On Monday, Prime Minister Imran Khan praised Afghans for “breaking the shackles of slavery.” On social media, retired generals and other Taliban boosters hailed the triumph of Islam, never mind that the defeated Afghan government too called itself an Islamic republic.

Exultant Pakistanis shared a video clip from 2014 featuring Hamid Gul, a former head of the army’s spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence. “When history is written, it will be stated that the ISI defeated the Soviet Union in Afghanistan with the help of America,” Gul says to a fawning TV studio audience. “Then there will be another sentence. The ISI, with the help of America, defeated America.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-withdrawal-afghanistan-pakistan-nuclear-lashkar-e-taiba-tehreek-e-taliban-islamist-11629402468


1,521 posted on 08/20/2021 2:10:07 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: nuconvert

Former Pakistani Senator Afrasiab Khattak tells the Wall Street Journal that there are more than 36,000 madrassas in Pakistan. Most of these madrassas are religious and there are many terrorists too. The same places that gave birth to the Taliban are also producing such people in Pakistan. These people will also fight the battle of Islamabad after Kabul.

Reports suggest that in early 2009, when Afghan President Hamid Karzai pressured Vice President Joe Biden to crack down on Taliban safe havens across the border, Biden reportedly rebuked him, saying, For Pakistan, 50 times more important than Afghanistan. Now as President, Biden may have understood that Pakistan is more than 50 times more dangerous for the whole world including America.

https://www.sinceindependence.com/america-trapped-in-isis-game-because-biden-could-not-understand-pakistans-strategy/


1,522 posted on 08/20/2021 2:40:33 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: gandalftb; nuconvert; SunkenCiv
“A Pakistani ISI Official has been hanged in North Waziristan by the Taliban.” (+a video that probably will be removed soon) https://twitter.com/pranaykaul/status/1429078706597687298

The video is from Umar Media, but the statement above is not correct. The group hanging the person is from Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan that is fighting for their own independent state in Pakistan's tribal areas. Umar media belongs to TTP.

TTP was formed by several small groups operating in the tribal areas of Pakistan and to a lesser extent in the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), and has always been almost entirely Pashtun in composition. The repression carried out by the Pakistani army has been ruthless, and the TTP has developed a record of extreme violence, including against civilians who are only remotely associated with the Pakistani state.

Signs of a TTP resurgence were already emerging in 2020, when it carried out over 120 attacks, but in recent weeks the group was able to launch its long-trailed ‘offensive’ in Waziristan. In July alone, the TTP carried out 26 attacks. + much more info here https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/resurgence-tehrik-i-taliban-pakistan

TTP’s new leadership may have realized that the border dispute between Pakistan and Afghanistan remains an issue that resonates with Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand Line, including the Afghan Taliban. It is important to note here that the Afghan Taliban has refused to recognize the Durand Line as a settled border between Afghanistan and Pakistan despite pressure from Islamabad.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/08/the-ttp-has-redefined-its-goals-should-pakistan-be-worried/

Attempted enforcement has reportedly led to clashes (some fatal) between the Taliban and TTP over operational restrictions placed on the latter.

77. Despite growing distrust, TTP and the Taliban carry on with relations mainly as before. A reunification took place in Afghanistan between TTP and certain splinter groups in the period from December 2019 to August 2020. This included the Shehryar Mehsud group, Jamaat-ul-Ahrar (JuA) (QDe.152), Hizb-ul-Ahrar, the Amjad Farooqi group and the Usman Saifullah group (formerly known as Lashkar-e Jhangvi). AlQaida was reportedly involved in the moderation between the groups.

78. The return of splinter groups to the TTP fold has increased its strength, of which current Member State estimates range between 2,500 and 6,000 armed fighters, with one Member State assessing that the upper range is more accurate. The group has been led since June 2018 by Noor Wali Mehsud (QDi.427). 33 The deputy to Mehsud is Qari Amjad (not listed). The group has distinctive anti-Pakistan objectives but also supports the Afghan Taliban militarily inside Afghanistan against Afghan Forces. The group is traditionally located in the eastern districts of Nangarhar Province, near the border with Pakistan.

The question is how much control Pakistan and ISI can have over the development in Afghanistan. It is likely that ISI will be unable to prevent groups infiltrating not only in the former https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federally_Administered_Tribal_Areas that since 2018 is merged with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa but in other regions as well.

1,523 posted on 08/21/2021 3:49:54 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Pakistan on Friday said it would ask the incoming government in Afghanistan to act against the banned Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

https://www.dawn.com/news/1641737


1,524 posted on 08/21/2021 4:10:57 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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If the Taliban in Afghanistan (IEA) will try to force TTP to stop its attack against Pakistan TTP will not accept it.

This is interesting:

Some people say that commanders of TTP Khalid Haqqani,Sheryar Mehsud ,Mangal Bagh were killed in Afghanistan by IEA on the directions of ISI? Is it true? If not then who killed them?
https://twitter.com/huzaifa26_1_97/status/1429216747618553863


1,525 posted on 08/21/2021 4:17:34 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

From China

Terrorists and their supporters are enemies of China: Global Times editorial

In this region, some US and Indian intelligence forces keen to infiltrate into Pakistan have held a hostile attitude toward China’s BRI. Blocking the development of the BRI has become their main target to contain China’s rise. And, the terror attack that targeted Chinese engineers who worked for the Dasu hydropower project is said to be fuelled by the Indian intelligence agency.

The intentions of the international forces must have influenced and incited terror forces in Pakistan. It is highly likely that those forces collude with and support terrorism in Pakistan. China must be prepared for a long-term fight, together with the Pakistani government, against terrorism in Pakistan. China needs to resolutely support the Pakistani government to crack down on terrorism. In addition, we’d like to urge the new government in Afghanistan to strike the terrorist forces that were groomed in Afghanistan but now active in Pakistan. This is a window through which China could observe the new government of Afghanistan.

Terror forces in Balochistan, especially the notorious Balochistan Liberation Army, have conducted the most attacks on Chinese nationals in Pakistan. And, the Pakistani Taliban is a vital threat too.

China will not only support Pakistan to strike a heavy blow to these terror forces, but also warn all the external forces to stay away from those terror forces. Once China obtains evidence that they support terrorist forces in Pakistan, China will punish them.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232068.shtml


1,526 posted on 08/22/2021 2:52:28 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Social media is full of propaganda and disinformation.


1,527 posted on 08/22/2021 3:01:15 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

The former MI-6 chief, Sir Richard Dearlove, asserted that Britain should be asking “tough questions” to the Pakistan’s government regarding the alleged involvement of the ISI military intelligence in the Taliban’s takeover of Kabul.

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/ex-mi6-chief-blames-isi-for-taliban-victory/


1,528 posted on 08/22/2021 9:02:19 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Who are supporting the Taliban, one indication is what embassies are open in Kabul?

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-china-iran-pakistan-extend-hands-taliban-now-control-afghanistan-1620335


1,529 posted on 08/22/2021 9:09:08 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Pakistan has used terrorism as an instrument of foreign policy since Pakistan’s creation in 1947. Pakistan began using Islamists to influence Afghanistan’s internal affairs in the 1950s and launched a full-scale jihad against Afghanistan not later than 1974—under Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, let it be noted, not General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq. The policy has essentially continued the ever since, intended to bring Afghanistan under Pakistani control as part of the Pakistani military establishment’s ideological commitment to “forever war” against India.

Pakistan will often claim that the U.S. drew it into Afghanistan as part of the operation to evict the Soviets after 1979 and then left the Pakistanis high and dry in 1990 to cope with the aftermath. But the truth is the reverse, as documented in great detail by Christine Fair in Fighting to the End and Hussain Haqqani in Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military: the ISI manipulated the U.S. efforts against the Soviet occupation to bankroll its own pre-existing jihad project, reflagging its Islamist operatives as the Mujahideen, which had only an incidental connection to the Afghan resistance against the Soviets.

Carlotta Gall in The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan, 2001–2014 documents Pakistan being embedded with the Taliban from the get-go:

Before the summer of 1994 was over, Mullah Omar had acquired Pakistani advisors. People in Kandahar remember [former ISI chief] Major [Hamid] Gul, along with Colonel Imam [“former” Pakistani general Sultan Tarar] … [Tarar] would come to epitomize the Pakistani officers who adopted the mujahideen cause as their own.

Gall’s understated conclusion: “This revelation explained a lot.”

Perhaps most sensational, Gall records:

According to one inside source, the ISI actually ran a special desk assigned to handle the al Qaeda leader. It was operated independently, headed by an officer who made his own decisions. He did not have to pass things by a superior. He handled only one person: bin Laden. What he did was of course wholly deniable by virtually everyone at the ISI.

https://kyleorton.co.uk/2021/08/17/pakistan-and-the-taliban/


1,530 posted on 08/26/2021 3:08:32 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: nuconvert

With Afghanistan once again a jihadist paradise, there are three competing but overlapping trends: Pakistan’s ISI networks, notably the Taliban; ISKP; and, not to be forgotten in the current situation, Iran.

It may seem paradoxical that the IRGC supports all sides against one another, but its primary pursuit is the chaos and instability that allows it to gain influence over all sides and export and entrench its Islamic revolution.

Iran, Pakistan, and now Afghanistan under the Taliban – which for the first time ever now rules the entire country – form a triangle of competing, but also frequently cooperative, global jihad

https://aijac.org.au/australia-israel-review/the-taliban-and-the-jihadist-network/


1,531 posted on 08/26/2021 3:19:52 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Our secret Taliban air force
Inside the clandestine U.S. campaign to help our longtime enemy defeat ISIS

In reality, even as its warplanes have struck the Taliban in other parts of Afghanistan, the U.S. military has been quietly helping the Taliban to weaken the Islamic State in its Konar stronghold and keep more of the country from falling into the hands of the group, which — unlike the Taliban — the United States views as an international terrorist organization with aspirations to strike America and Europe. Remarkably, it can do so without needing to communicate with the Taliban, by observing battle conditions and listening in on the group. Two members of the JSOC task force and another defense official described the assistance to me this year in interviews for a book about the war in Konar,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/22/taliban-isis-drones-afghanistan/


1,532 posted on 08/26/2021 3:25:52 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
Note this article was published by Stimson Center 6AUG21 i.e. before the attack:

ISKP and Afghanistan's Future Security

ISKP remains capable of executing high profile attacks in the national capital Kabul with alarming lethality and sophistication. ISKP took responsibility for the killing of ten people on June 8, 2021 who worked for an international demining NGO in Baghlan province. Many of those killed belonged to the ethnic Shia Hazara minority, a group whom ISKP had long targeted and against whom ISKP has increased attacks in recent months. In May, ISKP carried out the bombing of a school in Kabul that killed more than a 100 people, most of them children from the Hazara community. CT measures significantly dented ISKP’s capabilities; however, it is difficult to know exactly how many ISKP fighters remain active and the number of covert cells that may be dormant in urban areas.

The Afghan government has recently come out strongly in trying to depict ISKP as a front for the Taliban used for plausible deniability for attacks on civilian targets to undermine the government. Conversely, the Taliban claims that ISKP is a proxy of the Afghan government to defame the Taliban and spoil the peace process. These conflicting narratives make progress towards peace difficult and sidelines emerging security threats. The unresolved issues and mistrust between the Afghan government and the Taliban benefits ISKP by providing it more room to carry out attacks and rebuild its strength. It is imperative that a stable political situation is achieved to combat threats like ISKP, otherwise the threat will continue to persist—if not increase.

after the loss of its territory in Iraq and Syria and IS’ renewed focus on South Asia, Afghanistan has become a primary theater for IS operations. This can be seen in recent IS propaganda tailored towards a South Asian audience such as its Voice of Hind e-magazines published from February 2020 onwards and its reactivated Voice of the Khorasan radio broadcast in January 2021, in addition to visible active participation of South Asian jihadists in ISKP. With its affiliates branching out into India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, Afghanistan has become a staging ground for IS to rebuild itself in the region.

Thus far, five of the six known leaders of ISKP were Pakistani—three of whom were previously affiliated with the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and one a Taliban defector.The current leader of ISKP, identified as Shabab al-Muhajir, is reportedly Arab. Muhajir is reportedly an urban warfare expert and has been credited with plotting some of ISKP’s more sophisticated attacks and operations, such as the 20-hour long Jalalabad prison raid in August 2020.

https://www.stimson.org/2021/https-www-stimson-org-2021-iskp-and-afghanistans-future-security/

1,533 posted on 08/28/2021 1:52:10 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: gandalftb; nuconvert
This article from 2020 describes the varying cooperation and fighting between the various groups like the Taliban, ISKP, TTP, Afganistan armed forces and Pakistan over the years,

It is not easy to get a clear picture of who is who and who is supporting or running who... The reason is that the involved parties are supporting and at the same time fighting the others.
https://www.afghanistan-analysts.org/en/reports/war-and-peace/the-islamic-state-in-khorasan-how-it-began-and-where-it-stands-now-in-nangarhar/

1,534 posted on 08/28/2021 2:28:45 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
It was no functional government:

The Afghan gov’t overthrown by Taliban never existed - ex-soldier

Most of the Afghan security forces came from minority communities such as Uzbeks, Tajiks and Hazzara Shi’ites, and they owed their place in the units to the old Northern Alliance that had resisted the Taliban and which had swept to power with US support in late 2001 and early 2002. While reports say the Afghan army was supposed to be 45% Pashtun – the majority group in Afghanistan that has also made up the backbone of Taliban fighters – the reality was that he thinks it never exceeded a few percent Pashtun.

https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/the-afghan-govt-overthrown-by-taliban-never-existed-source-677178/

1,535 posted on 08/28/2021 2:44:38 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: nuconvert; gandalftb; Dog; jeffers; Cap Huff; Boot Hill; swarthyguy; SunkenCiv; G8 Diplomat
Back to square one (Remember Nek?)

(From a BBC journalist):
Apart from many unwritten peace deals with various militants’ groups in tribal areas, there’re 3 major yet failed peace deals Pak govt signed. Imp to note is Pak was not negotiating from t position of strength & nearly all peace deals expanded militants’ control. In 2012 and 2013 Pakistan rejected offers for talks from the TTP.

Here are the details:

1- The Shekai Peace Agreement 2004 This was the first deal since the emergence of anti Pakistan Taliban militants. Signed between Nek Muhammad & govt in South Waziristan. Before that, a military op was launched & Pak Army faced heavy casualties. Nek, 27, supported & harbored nearly 400 foreign militants of Al Qaida fleeing from Afg. He was already on US target list that spring. In Shikai peace deal, Pak govt agreed to release Taliban prisoners, pay compensation for property damage due to ops & also money to the militants to repay debt to Al Qaida. Nek was to register foreign militants and stop attacks into Afghanistan. Nek was to register foreign militants and stop attacks into Afghanistan.

But right after the deal, Nek refused to surrender foreign mil & started assassinating tribal elders. The govt revoked the deal and launched military op in June 2004. On July 17 while he was talking on a satellite phone, he was quickly traced. A drone above launched a Hellfire missile & killed him.

For the Srarogha Peace Agreement 2005 and the Swat Agreement, May 2008 read more: https://twitter.com/FarhatJavedR/status/1444025918889074688

and now (from a PAK source):

The Government of Pakistan is holding negotiations with the TTP terrorist organisation. The ultimate goal of these talks are the complete surrender of TTP. Meanwhile, the military has been increasing IBOs against the organisation, and preparing for an offensive, if talks fail.

Some more details on these talks: they are being carried out on Afghan soil and facilitated by the IEA. The negotiations will be within the confines of Pakistan's laws and constitution. “Recent military actions against the TTP have been successful and have achieved the desired results. It is time now for the next stop to bring this conflict to an end through political means. The peace talks will be held from a position of strength”.

https://twitter.com/PSFAERO/status/1443996779679203334

additional text from another PAK source:
In case talks with TTP fail and IEA refuses to take action/stop TTP, Pakistan will need to do a clearance op in Kunar, Paktika, Nangarhar (rural) and parts of Khost and Paktia, similar to what Turkey did in Syria in 2016-19.

Here will be the required ORBAT: (continues at) https://twitter.com/Indus_RiverBL/status/1444215036025532419

The short version: One part of Pakistan is negotiation with another part of it, and the outcome will be the same as before.

1,536 posted on 10/02/2021 3:25:49 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
The pseudostate continues its downward spiral. Y'know, India got off easy when that muzzie jackass Muhammad Ali Jinnah led the successful drive to split Pakistan from India. West Pakistan (Pakistan) rejected East Pakistan's election results (sound familiar?) and started carrying out a military crackdown.

The rejection of the election results and the crackdown led to a full uprising (insurrection), nine months of systematic rapes and other atrocities, repudiation of Paki domination of Bengal, and the birth of Bangladesh.

I remember skimming a photo-heavy article about it (probably in Life magazine) the day of my grandmother's funeral. The funeral director always kept magazines in one of the side rooms.

1,537 posted on 10/02/2021 8:46:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: AdmSmith

Paki intelligence serves many masters


1,538 posted on 10/02/2021 8:52:07 AM PDT by wardaddy (Fear Republic land of grumps and scolds peppered with good folks .....empathy always in short suppl)
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The rest of the Waziristan keyword.

1,539 posted on 10/02/2021 9:05:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
This topic was posted 6/18/2004, sorry, I'd missed that obvious fact before I pinged.

1,540 posted on 10/02/2021 9:06:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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