The Married State (Is the gay community sure it wants to push this issue?)

The Wall Street Journal ^ | Wednesday, March 3, 2004 | CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS

[presidio9]

It was as well for me that this discussion took place at my own dining-room table. Make no mistake: This is an argument about the socialization of homosexuality, not the homosexualization of society. It demonstrates the spread of conservatism, not radicalism, among gays. For the infuriated Andrew, it became clear, the achievement of the married state was the consummation (all right, excuse the expression) and not the overstatement, of the advances in recognition that had already been won. As to my second point, or observation, how dare I imply that the gay state was somehow promiscuous or irresponsible?

[Peach]

The left keep trying to define the argument as "how will my gay marriage hurt your heterosexual marriage."

This is a strawman argument.

The same could be said with how incest or polygamy will not affect or hurt my marriage.

What unweb motherhood and a host of other social ills hurt is not my marriage per se, but rather society as a whole.

[mewzilla]

The Texas sodomy statute, for example, should have been struck down or repealed not as a "rights" or "equal protection" matter, but because it was an attempt to instate the teachings of a book that not all of us regard as holy, and to make an establishment of religion. Nothing can possibly violate the letter and spirit of the Constitution more than that.

Render unto Caesar, Hitchens. Gays want state recognition for gay marriage. I'd say the state has just as much interest in preserving the sanctity of marriage as does the church.

[Iron Matron]

We've just reached a point where America is more open to, and more reconciled with, its gay citizens than any society in history

Not me. Not Anymore. Nor my friends, co-workers, family, extended family, my grocery store clerk, EVERYONE I've talked to about this has said Homos have $hit in their toasties on this one.

They have gone too far.

[Blood of Tyrants]

I know that homosexuality is a form of love, not just a form of sex, and thus that it deserves respect if not reverence.

Yep, the reverent love and worship of sexual organs identical to one's own.

[Conspiracy Guy]

I still tolerate but do not support same sex couples. I will NOT tolerate same sex MARRIAGE.

CG

[steplock]

"The AIDS crisis didn't lead to panic or quarantine"

It should have! AIDS is thousands of times worse than "Typhoid Mary"

If the world did quarantine the diseased carriers, it would have been halted in its tracks decades ago!

But no!

Is AIDS a weapon designed to lower the total population of the world by ridding us of the useless perverted fools?

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[steve-b]

picture the writhing faces and hoarse yells of the mullahs and the fanatics

One legacy of the war against the Wahabiwackjobs will be the marginalization of the religious right element (much as one legacy of the defeat of Naziism was the marginalization of genteel anti-Semitism). When a segment of society looks and feels too much like the Enemy, societal antibodies kick in.

You may not like it, but there ain't jack you can do to prevent it.

[EdReform]

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The Stamp of Normality

[Alberta's Child]

If the European experience is any indication, the end result of "gay marriage" will actually be a total loss of interest in marriage on the part of heterosexuals and homosexuals alike.

In fact, I would make the case that marriage as a civil institution is pretty much irrelevant right now. Aside from the legal validation of one's tax filing status, I can't for the life of me understand why any couple with serious religious convictions would feel a need to obtain a "license" for their marriage.

[LiteKeeper]

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[fishtank]

"The same could be said with how incest or polygamy will not affect or hurt my marriage."

I think that legalized, consensual slavery would not hurt or affect my marriage.

[atomicpossum]

Hitchens is the master of empty arguments, isn't he? He constructs carefully constructed houses of cards so he can impress the reader with knocking them down....

[Schnucki]

There was a time when homosexuals could get treatment for their condition, but now that so many people are pretending that it's normal behavior, they've practically abandoned these sad people to a kind of living hell.

Those "writhing faces and hoarse yells" appear the instant any effort is made to help homosexuals in their plight and the fanaticism behind it all is filled with a kind of hate that borders on physical assault.

A similar kind of irrational bitterness is probably what drove you to equate Christianity with Islam and then both of these religions with the German National Socialists of yesterday.

But if folks would take a breath and look at this calmly, they might see the same approach is being used to attack Christians by the pink-shirts that the brown-shirts used against Jews long ago.

Although the attempt to de-humanize Christians has been somewhat broadsided by OBL and co., the islamicists will probably be used by the homosexuals in the same way that communists were first used (and then attacked) by the brown-shirts.

Whatever the case, you may not like Christians, but there ain't jack you can do to prevent them from existing.

[Esther Ruth]

I am SO glad he has chosen to use the word "Reverence" in describing what he thinks we should be showing toward them. Tolerance is no longer enough, they have raised the bar and now would like reverence.

Definition of Reverence from Websters:
A feeling or attitude of deep respect, love and awe as for something sacred; veneration, a manifestation of this; specif., a bow, curtsy, or similar gesture of respect; obeisance, the state of being revered.

I think this is just what they need to do - throw out the word tolerance, and make this their word - Reverence! They now would like all of us to show reverence for what ever it is they wish.

Thus says the Lord - "You shall have NO other God's before ME. Choose this day - who you will revere.

[GSWarrior]

Gay population estimates are about 7% of the total citizenryI think it's closer to 2 to 3 percent.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Good catch. They are no longer satisfied with mere tolerance, now we must REVERE them as if people who perform perverted sexual acts on each other are now to be worhipped!

[ChevyZ28]

The whole notion of legalizing gay marriages in America is a further attempt to make America more like Europe. We here in America do not want to be like Europe. Our Fore Fathers left Europe for a reason, it is time we revisited those reasons and stand firmly in their defense.

[Agnes Heep]

I believe there is a sentient part of every human psyche that is completely unamenable to rationalization. That component torments homosexuals with guilt and self-loathing, despite the attempts of their conscious minds to justify the filth and degradation of what they're doing. It leads them to seek solace by co-opting the rest of society into their disgusting charade.