[EternalVigilance]

Sent to me by an old friend who isn't a FReeper:


I follow Terri on FR threads...

Bulima has one hallmark sign, speaking with authority as a bulimic myself..

Continual and persistant vomiting exposes ones teeth to dental issues, that stomach acid is some strong stuff that takes it's toll over time.

:-D <~~big pretty 8k smile

Terri's teeth look pretty darn good to me, especially considering that they aren't even brushed and cleaned on a regular basis!

http://www.eatingdisorders.org.nz/faq-dental.shtml


Mission Impossible: Dentists Detect Bulimia By Examining Your Teeth

Also, the questions about a "heart attack", if it is detectable by changes in the heart after the fact etc...

FIRST of all, on the VERY SMALL CHANCE that Terri DID have a 'heart' issue, it was most certainly NOT an "attack" as a heart attack is when part of the heart itself is damaged for whatever reason, parts of it actually die as seen when one has coronary heart disease...

http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/heart/angina03.htm


So IF (and that is a HUGE if in my book) Terri had a heart problem that night it most certainly had to have been an "ARREST". A cardiac arrest is when the heart stops pumping blood throughout the body, for whatever reason, be it a potasium deficiency or a cardiac tamponade such as the one my little Kayona suffered when she was a newborn.

http://www.staffsamb.nhs.uk/aeddesc.html


SO, yes IF terri had a "heart attack" there WOULD be signs forever after.

IF she had an "arrest" the question then becomes "what caused the arrest" and yes potassium can do that but most likely it was the TRAUMA TO HER HEAD!!!

(I aint yelling, just talking with enthusiasm)..

I think that it is important to note the difference between "Heart Attack" and "Cardiac Arrest", that's all I am saying :-)





"Cardiac Arrest & Automatic External Defibrillation (AED)

What is a cardiac arrest?

Heart Attack

A Heart Attack is NOT a Cardiac Arrest. A heart attack is a small section of the heart not getting the flow of blood it requires, this section of the heart dies. It can be a minor or major Heart Attack. People do not die from Heart Attacks, however a Heart Attack, depending on its severity can lead to a Cardiac Arrest."

[ican'tbelieveit]

You can also suffer cardiac arrest with a jolt of electricity and any number of drugs.

[BlessedBeGod]

Thanks so much! That's very helpful info!

[PeyersPatches]

Karen Carpenter had anorexia/bulimia and had a heart attack - was dead about the time she hit the floor.

They have already ruled out Terri having a heart attack - and evidently her heart is in good shape. Something stopped her oxygen supply and she probably went into cardic arrest. It was the oxygen supply to her brain that did the most damage.

She was found clutching her neck according to her brother - face down. Heart attack victims tend to clutch the chest area. Michael Schiavo wasn't holding her as he claimed. As big as he was, as little as she was, he only needed a good choke hold for awhile.....do it right and you won't leave bruises.

[sweetliberty]

Thanks for posting that EV. That is useful information to reference.

[Avoiding_Sulla]

Worth its own thread instead of buried at post #1901. Trolls mostly still laying low. This might flush 'em out a bit more.

[TaxRelief]

Isn't it true that a shot of insulin can cause a drop in potassium levels? Can a glucose drip also do this?

[Mo1]

FIRST of all, on the VERY SMALL CHANCE that Terri DID have a 'heart' issue, it was most certainly NOT an "attack" as a heart attack is when part of the heart itself is damaged for whatever reason, parts of it actually die as seen when one has coronary heart disease...

we had to rush my mother to the hospital because she was complaining of chest pains.

Which I might add .. she never past out .. which then I have to ask .. it is common for people that have heart attacks to pass out? .. unless it is a massive attack

back to my point. a year after this attack she had test done and they stated that there was very little damage to her heart seen in the test

[Mo1]

Was she in Cardiac Arrest when they arrived at the house??

Plus .. Cardiac Arrest is major and would definitely show signs of heart damage on test .. even years years after

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the information!

[First_Salute]

At Michael Schiavo pleads case on CNN --- posted at FR on Oct. 28, 2003, by JohnHuang2 ---

Reply 9 ---

"In last night's interview, Schiavo addressed the strangulation testimony by asking why her neck was not bruised and her trachea damaged."

Michael Schiavo assumes "the hands on approach," when that is not required.

In addition, a "rigid neck" that is considered in Terri's case, as a sign of "strangulation," can instead be caused by various other methods of attempting to cut off a person's airways.

For example, a hypothetical couple "having a domestic dispute" ---

A husband "getting carried away" during their argument(s) into the night and early morning hours, enough to "forget himself" ...

He, a large heavy man, sits quickly on the upper back of his relatively smaller, lighter wife, who herself had been sitting on the floor and bent over some, exhausted and crying.

He forces her to the floor face down and causes her to hyperextend her neck as she struggles to raise her head, break free, and get air --- there is a dislocation of certain areas of her neck's connective tissues, the resulting strains and pinching of nerves leading to a severely "rigid neck."

With the immediate presence of his body heat in addition to her diminishing oxygen supply, she goes into shock.

She is forced into unconciousness; then some minutes more pass, of insufficient oxygen (not necessarily a denial of all blood) flow to her brain; her heart beat might be undetectable.

Things go from bad to worse with the time that the husband remains upon her.

The husband regains some semblance of reason and senses her change of state, as well as what may befall him. He gets himself off of her, paces around, then he returns to her and checks, but cannot detect, her pulse ... he calls for help.

Her injuries would be revealed, over a year later in bone scans of the head, neck, torso, and lower body. Her injuries include a compression fracture of the wife's L1 vertebra, which literally plays a pivotal role in support of the upper back.

No heart attack.

Just trauma to tell the tale, in her bones.

 

[floriduh voter]

There was no heart attack. Based upon what hubby said last night on Larry King, he heard a thud in the hall and stated that he "went to get her." How many husbands who hear a thud in the hall automatically assume it's their wife and then "go get them?" Wouldn't it be more appropriate to just state that he went to see what the noise was and it turned out to be Terri?

If I hear a noise, I don't go "get" someone. Sounds like she was already being objectified by MS.

Terri had no pulse but she didn't have a heart attack. Same thing happened to my brother. No pulse but no attack. He's young but had to get a pacemaker. Terri doesn't need a pacemaker.

Terri needs an independent medical guardian ad litem and a restraining order so her husband can't come near here. He also said on LKL that he wasn't going to stop no matter what.

[SarahW]

FWIW, some bulimics don't rely strictly on barfing to purge, or don't stick a finger down the throat at all - their favorite means of purging after an episode of gorging, is to abuse laxatives and diuretics.

Laxative abuse can cause life-threatening electrolite imbalance, even if only done occasionally.

Unusual erosion of tooth enamel is a sign of bulimia, but you can be bulimic and have good teeth.

[SwordofTruth]

IF she had an "arrest" the question then becomes "what caused the arrest" and yes potassium can do that but most likely it was the TRAUMA TO HER HEAD!!!

She did not have a cardiac arrest. If a cardiac arrest were responsible for the deprivation of oxygen to her brain, then her heart also would have suffered significant damage. Since it has been proven that she didn't even suffer a heart attack, she definitely didn't have a cardiac arrest.

The question then becomes what caused her oxygen deprivation to her brain?

The only logical answer that has ANY evidence to back it up is strangulation. I have very little doubt that Michael Schiavo strangled Terri that night.

[RLK]

I find it difficult to believe her initial condition was created by a heart attack and there has been no tendency for one since then. A heart attack als leave certain distortions in the QRST axes in heartbeats which are quite measurable. Don't ask me to explain it. The best description I know of is in Guytone's Textbook of Medical Physiology.

[auboy]

Thanks, EV! Very interesting info, and when coupled with Dr. Baden's opinion on Greta's show last Thursday, makes me very suspicious of Michael. Head trauma? Michael is a large man.

You've probably already heard this. One of Terri's close friends is on record as talking to Terri the day before her "accident". From what Terri told her friend, Michael was very upset with her for spending too much. The friend even offered to come stay with Terri, but Terri told her friend that she would just pretend to be asleep when Michael came home that night.

[pollywog]

Wow neat post EternalVigilance! Tell your friend to join us.!!

[lakey]

Thanks for the ping.

[JustPiper]

Great research EV, bump!

[firewalk]

Thanks for the ping to this

[syriacus]

Thanks for the ping to this information on bulimia and heart attacks, EternalVigilance