Posted on 07/30/2026 7:16:31 AM PDT by Red Badger
The ruling does change the fundamental nature of what the books were intended for: they were intended to be read by human beings, not used as training for machines to replace human thought and ingenuity.
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AI companies are buying old books, scanning them, then destroying them. Anthropic has been buying the books to feed the machine with human knowledge and ideas written down before the AI era, so only books with publication dates before 2022 will do. Once they have the books, they rip off the spines, feed them through a scanner, and then on into the gaping maw of the AI LLMs that consume everything, including, eventually, themselves.
The revelations came out in a lawsuit brought by authors who said the destruction violated the Copyright Act. Federal judge for the Northern District of California William Alsup ruled that the bulk buy, scanning, and destruction is fair use under Section 107 of the Copyright Act. As far back as 2024, Anthropic, which has come under fire by the Trump administration over national security concerns, said "We don’t want it to be known that we are working on this." It's not a good look to be destroying books.
The suit reads that authors Andrea Bartz, Charles Graeber, and Kirk Wallace Johnson were a few of the authors whose books were bought by Anthropic. For use in Claude, Anthropic "assembled these copies into a central library of its own, copied further various sets and subsets of those library copies to include in various 'data mixes,' and used these mixes to train various LLMs. Anthropic kept the library copies in place as a permanent, general-purpose resource even after deciding it would not use certain copies to train LLMs or would never use them again to do so." The authors had not agreed to this and these copies of their books were taken permanently out of circulation, never to be read by human eyes again.
Anthropic is one of these companies that has been buying physical books in bulk to rip apart, scan, then destroy, in service to its AI model Claude. Any books will do, even if that book is the very last copy of that book in the world. Legally, this is allowed under the first-sale doctrine, which permits a book-buyer to do whatever they want with that book object, without a need for the copyright owner's permission. It's an object, like a pair of shoes or a blender.
The ruling reads: "every purchased print copy was copied in order to save storage space and to enable searchability as a digital copy. The print original was destroyed. One replaced the other. And, there is no evidence that the new, digital copy was shown, shared, or sold outside the company."
In the suit, a judge found that because Anthropic was using the books in a way that fundamentally transformed them into something else, in this case turning them from books into raw data that will have no reference to their original self, and that this constituted fair use. Previous to the bulk buying of books, Anthropic pirated books or bought pirated books. They looked to former head of Google Books' scan project Tom Turvey to come in and get more data to feed the LLM. That data was not just information but also style and tone, proprietary authorial elements.
There's lots of companies that are willing to do the selling. ISBNdb claims to have the "world's largest book database," and says "the world's best AI training data is sitting on a shelf." They also promise not to reveal who is doing the bulk buying, knowing that no AI company wants to be the subject of a headline about how they're destroying millions of books at a go.
ISBNdb says that AI training on AI material results in data degradation. "Not all data degradation is intentional," says ISBNdb. "When AI systems train on text that was itself AI-generated, a documented phenomenon called model collapse occurs: subtle linguistic nuances vanish, systematic errors compound, and outputs converge on repetitive patterns. Each generation trained on synthetic data is slightly worse than the last. Print books from the pre-LLM era are structurally guaranteed to be free of this contamination. That alone is a significant advantage."
404 Media spoke to a bookseller who said that bulk orders from his store have resulted in the destruction of out-of-print books for which there are only single copies remaining. "I personally have mixed feelings about all of this," said the bookseller. "It benefits me financially as well as by clearing out old inventory that is otherwise unlikely to sell. I’ve been well-suited for these sales with inventory from overseas and foreign language books. On the other hand, I don’t like the end-use, and I don’t like that uncommon books are being pulped."
The ruling reads: "This order grants summary judgment for Anthropic that the training use was a fair use. And, it grants that the print-to-digital format change was a fair use for a different reason. But it denies summary judgment for Anthropic that the pirated library copies must be treated as training copies." The ruling does change the fundamental nature, however, of what the books were intended for: they were intended to be read by human beings, not used as training for machines to replace human thought and ingenuity.
As it stands, Anthropic and other AI companies that are developing and furthering their large language models for use both as information and writing tools are permitted to take books out of circulation, feed them to the LLM, and destroy them, without concern for copyright law or, as it turns out, the preservation of the scope and breadth of human history, knowledge, experience, and creativity.
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No, the problem here is per the judge the books must be destroyed, a legal glitch so to speak. The AI companies are not allowed to keep the books after they have digitized them.
This makes the destruction unnecessary and that to me is ignorant for a couple of reasons.
1. A book should not be destroyed so off handedly (more personal thing to me)
2. A book can’t be changed, a digitized version can be, thus it can be corrupted with intent.
If you buy a physical book, you can do what you want with it. Regardless.
Cursive writing is so unnecessary. I can print in several fonts. ;-D
You didn’t read the article. You are wrong.
“AI companies are buying old books, scanning them, then destroying them. “
This the first line.
“Once they have the books, they rip off the spines, feed them through a scanner, and then on into the gaping maw of the AI LLMs that consume everything, including, eventually, themselves.”
This is the second sentence.
A book can be hidden or even destroyed. Information can always be withheld or corrupted regardless of the technology used to record it. The Bible didn't make it through the Catholic Church unscathed.
I have the very understanding you just posted. I’m saying this is no big deal.
My previous employer had bound books, maps, and individual pieces of paper. The company that scanned them left them intact. They were returned in the same condition they left. I had to keep inventory of the materials.
These guys don’t want to do that; and, it is their right to make that decision, and no real loss occurs. You can’t force someone to pay for storage for something they don’t want to keep.
Donate them to a museum. Get a tax write off.
It would be better publicity to say there were donated rather than saying “we destroyed them”.
Why would a museum want them?
They are rare books.
You didn’t read the article.
They were purchased and became the property of the new owner. Owners are free to dispose of their own property any way they please.
Hiding it yes, but in the case of digitizing, it can now be edited to say something subtly different and presented as source material.
The impact is significantly different and much more insideous.
2 personal examples.
1. Stars original movie, solo shoots first, re-edited to later show he did not shoot first, basic example of media being changed for a narrative. I have the original version saved on my movie server because to me it matters. I refuse to use streaming services for that very reason (amongst a few others)
2. I have original Hans Chrisitian Anderson works, those have been re-written for a woke narrative, my books cannot be changed, unlike the digital version where they can.
Keep in mind it is already hard enough to maintain the purity of original books, see the link below. Yes, digitizing them makes it many fold worse and we should be extremely cautious in destroying the source material.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/copywrite-laws-are-enabling-woke-re-writes-of-classics/
Do you actually think a book with its spine sawn off would be a desirable museum exhibit?
Again, you seem not to read my comments or read anything at all. I may not bother responding to any more of your comments because I am wasting my time.
Better publicity to say that you donated them to a museum, Library of Congress, etc. There might be additional benefit like a write off.
Again, you seem not to read my comments or read anything at all. I may not bother responding to any more of your comments because I am wasting my time.
Better publicity to say that you donated them to a museum, Library of Congress, etc. There might be additional benefit like a write off.
Corruption happens, always did, always will. Civilizations collapse, always have, always will. Our civilization is nearing its end. Maybe archeologists can sort through the rubble.
Why didn't more altruistic people purchase the books first and place them in protective storage? Because they didn't care.
Yeah, say just that, then destroy them. ;-D
I quote what I am responding to, which denotes I did read them. I just do not post what you want me to say.
I think they should buy up all the crap like "The Scarlett Letter", "Tess of the d'Urbervilles", and "Wuthering Heights" then destroy them all. That way poor school children will never have to suffer through them ever again.
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