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Islam started with Jewish Sadducee leaders, prayers, calendar and sharia. And the Saducees hated the oral Torah - those and that which covered (kufr) the written text.
Rabbi Ben Abrahamson devotes a website showing that Muslims descend from Torah-only Jews: Sadducees.
Red Judaism explains how Jews started Islam, how Abu Bakr was a Sadducee and how Shafi sharia is identical to saducee rulings. This links to presentations by Lloyd de jongue.
Red Judaism explains the origins of Islam on wikinoah.org and also in recent video @1:20:17 he answers on βwho are the decedents of the saducees?β
https://www.youtube.com/live/eg9ffSSIBFA?si=gTLPQ8wv7KcNpmfI
https://www.alsadiqin.org/.../Torah_Jews_as_Muslims:_an...
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Abu Bakr al-Siddiq means Abu Bakr βthe saduceeβ.
Tachkastan (also known as Da shi ε€§ι£ or Tashik in Tang Chinese and Tayyaye in Syriac Tayy in Arabic Tazigan/Tashih/Tachk/Tajik) was at first primarily a Messianic Noahide state establshed for the Erev Rav in south Iraq which gained independence under the Ma'amed of Hani ibn Qabisa's Miaphysite Noahide faction at the battle of Dhi Qar in 622 (the year of the Arabs).
The first known independent Rulers over Tachkastan's Quasi-Manichean Noahite Erev Rav included:
- 622 The Nabi Rosh al-Ma'amed Hanzlah ibn Abi Qabisa appointed by Hani ibn Qabisa at the Battle of Dhi Qar
- c.630 The Himyarite Jew Abu Bakr who ruled the Quasi-Manichean Noahites in Hira and made alliance with Edessa's Jews.
https://www.wikinoah.org/en2/index.php?title=Tachkastan...
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A) During the "Repetition of the Shemonah Esrei", the calculation of Rabbinic and Islamic Ra'akat's are the same.
A)Saying Oseh Shalom at the end of prayers.
C) Washing three times before prayer (wudu) corresponds to the three gates entered to bring a sacrifice. Thus a Muslim today, washing his hands three times, has a unbroken connection to Temple of Solomon.
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Calendar Correspondence of the Islamic and Jewish calendars; for example
- the 9th of Av / Pilgrimage became the 9th of Dhu'al-Hijjah / Hajj
- The 10th of Muharram/Tishrei was called Ashura/Aseri (Yom Kippur) and 1st was called Ras as Sana/Rosh Hashana, parallel between the Jewish counting of the Omer and Ramadan.
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The Muslim shafi sharia is identical to the Sadducee rulings.
https://www.youtube.com/live/eg9ffSSIBFA?si=gTLPQ8wv7KcNpmfI
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βIbn Hazm records Al Saduqiyyh: This sect associates itself with a person called Saduq (Zadok). Differing with all other Jews, they regard Uzayr (Ezra) as the son of G-d. They live in Yemen. (Ibn Hazm's Kitab al-Fasl fi al-Milal wa al-Ahwa wa al-Nihal)β
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Hazm
So it is a heresy? Thatβs what Belloc said.
Bkmk
Now, there may have been some Jews around that had practices similar to the 1st century Sadducees at the time of Mohammed, but they were not "Sadducees".
What absolute nonsense. Yes, Mohammed copied a huge amount of Jewish rituals in his attempt to persuade the Jews of Medina that he was the “final” Jewish prophet. But the Jews laughed him out, and he was enraged. The rest is a sad, bloody history.
I think it was Satan actually.
It’s the reason Mohammed get “ridden” by several al-Zutt men all night and then has trouble walking back to the recorded of the hadith. Also the Muslim hate for women mimics Satan’s hate for women.
Islam: Jewsβ Fault?!?!?
Sounds like confusion with Karaites, who are noted around the time of the rise of Islam. Karaites have some minority unlikely claim to continuous connection with Sadducees. But not even Sadducees seen connected to Islam.
How would someone imagine such a connection? Trying for some Mosaic-based credibility?
What Every American Needs to Know About the Qur’an
https://www.c-span.org/program/book-tv/what-every-american-needs-to-know-about-the-quran/318924
William Federer talked about his book, What Every American Needs to Know About the Qur’an: A History of Islam and the United States. He used slides as he talked about the political and military aspects of the life of Muhammad and how they inform Islam.
The Ishmaelites, not the Sadducees...
Mohammed was an Edomite from Petra. This is extensively documented in Dan Gibsonβs research. Petra was the initial capital of Islam. For the first 200 years of Islamβs conquests, Mosques pointed to Petra. A civil war in Islam between the Umayyad Muslims in Damascus and the Edomites in Petra drove the Edomites to Mecca around the 9th Century. From then on Mosques faced Mecca
“Islam started with Jewish Sadducee leaders, prayers, calendar and sharia.”
No. It probably started with Arianism.
“Some of the first Christians to encounter Muslims in the 8th and 9th centuries did not view Islam as a new religion. Rather, people like John of Damascus, in his work, De Haeresibus, believed Islam was simply an old-style Christian heresy dressed in new garb.
One codex of John’s book describes his belief that Jews, Arians, and Nestorians were the cause behind Muhammadβs religion. From the Arians, Muhammad learned that Jesus was created and not eternal. From the Nestorians, Muhammad learned to place a stress on Christβs humanity. “
https://www.gcrr.org/fun-facts/islam%3A-an-old-christian-heresy%3F
Or it might have sprung entirely from the overactive imagination of a an addlebrained Arab.
Actually, no. It is available along with comments to be seen. One comment speaks well:
John Heaton -- "Karl KlefsgΓ₯rd You're promoting mumbo jumbo conspiracy theory nonsense."It is indeed mumbo-jumbo. The argument(s) "rise" to the level of childish things. Not every thing one finds on Facebook or YouTube is well researched. This is "mumbo-jumbo."Islamic Origins -- Karl KlefsgΓ₯rd -- 15 November 2025
Source: Karl KlefsgΓ₯rd Facebook
Citing a small snippet from the "Reliance of the Traveler" in a graphic shows naivete. But if one wants to "see" Karl KlefsgΓ₯rd in scholarly action, so to speak, one can visit his YouTube channel -- with its ONE subscriber and ONE video. He re-posts a 49 minute video in Swedish by Stefan Gustavsson, posted 15 April 2015.
See: Karl KlefsgΓ₯rd @karlklefsgard3567 β’ 1 subscriber Joined YouTube Joined Jan 28, 2012.As to the rabbi mentioned, he is a "oner" and general liberal nutcase.
See: Jewish Rabbi Admits Islam is the Oldest Religion "Rabbi Ben Abrahamson" on an Islamic site, IslamiCity.Var fΓΆrsiktig med ditt stipendium.
Islam is Satan’s counterstroke to the resurrection of Jesus - a fake religion that is a mirror image of Christianity.
And then again, it may not have.
From Grok:
Maimonides (Rambam, 1138β1204) explicitly linked the Karaites and the Sadducees, viewing the former as a modern revival or continuation of the latter's errors.
Key Evidence from His Writings
1. Commentary on the Mishnah (Sanhedrin 10:1, Pereq Heleq): In his famous "Thirteenth Principle of Faith," Maimonides states that those who deny the Oral Torah (the rabbinic tradition) have no share in the World to Come. He groups them with heretics and explicitly identifies Karaites as followers of Zadok and Boethus (the founders of the Sadducees):
"The following have no share in the World to Come... and those who say there is no Torah from Heaven... and the followers of Zadok and Boethus... and the Karaites who deny the words of the Sages..."
Here, he equates Karaite rejection of the Oral Law with the Sadducees' ancient denial of it.
2. Mishneh Torah (Hilchot Mamrim 3:1β3):
Maimonides classifies the Karaites as "minim" (heretics) akin to the Sadducees:
"The Sadducees and Boethusians... denied the Torah She-be-al-Peh [Oral Torah]... And in our time, the Karaites came and denied the Torah She-be-al-Peh like them..."
He rules that Karaites are to be treated as "tinokot she-nishbu" (captive children, i.e., raised in error) rather than willful heretics, but still links them doctrinally to the Sadducees.
3. Iggeret Teiman (Epistle to Yemen):
Addressing Karaite influence in Yemen, he warns:"These Karaites are the descendants of the Sadducees who denied the Oral Law in ancient times..."
Historical Context
Both groups rejected the Oral Torah (Mishnah, Talmud, rabbinic authority) in favor of literal scripture. Maimonides saw Karaism (founded by Anan ben David in 8th-century Babylon) as a resurgence of Sadducean ideas, not a new sect.
In short: Yes, Maimonides directly and repeatedly identified Karaites as the spiritual heirs of the Sadducees due to their shared rejection of the Oral Torah.
The Sadduccees were intrinsically tied to the temple in Jerusalem.
When the temple was destroyed, the Sadduccees were destroyed utterly.
The Pharisees too were devastated but Rabbi Yohannan bin Zakkai in 70 AD created the new sect of Rabbinical Judaism that replaced temples-priests+animal sacrifices with synagogues - rabbis - todah.
The similarities between islamic law (sharia) and Jewish law (Halakha) is also partly because both arose in 9th and 10th century Baghdad.
And, NO, al-αΉ’iddΔ«q (Ψ§ΩΨ΅Ψ―ΩΩ) is unrelated to the Sadducees.
- al-αΉ’iddΔ«q (Ψ§ΩΨ΅Ψ―ΩΩ) is the Arabic word for βthe Truthfulβ or βthe Loyal Friendβ β a title allegedly given to Abu Bakr (d. 634 CE) for his unwavering belief in Muhammad.
- the root of the word is αΉ£-d-q (Ψ΅ Ψ― Ω) = truth, sincerity.
- The word Sadducees derives from Hebrew *Tsaddiqim* (Χ¦Φ·ΧΦΌΧΦΌΧ§Φ΄ΧΧ), linked to Zadok the priest; a Jewish sect (c. 2nd BCEβ70 CE). Different language, era, and context.
They actually began with Ishmael, son of Hagar, when Abraham disobeyed God.