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To: Jonty30

Islam: Jews’ Fault?!?!?


14 posted on 11/15/2025 5:10:46 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Real Genocide of Christians by muslims in Sudan and Nigeria gets no notice from Jew haters.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Nobody is saying that it was done deliberately. However, not being at fault does not mean playing a part


19 posted on 11/15/2025 6:01:14 PM PST by Jonty30 (I've been diagnosed as being polemic and there is no cure. )
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To: Uncle Miltie
Islam: Jews’ Fault?!?!?

It would be comical if there were not so many stupid people who will make this their mantra 🤦‍♂️
23 posted on 11/15/2025 6:31:30 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I think the initial firm of islam namely Ebionites was a Jewush-Christian mix, being anti Trinitarian yet holding Isa in honour. It took Jewish kosher laws, circumcision etc seriously and all evidence shows that fir the furst few decades these proto muslims worshipped in the durection of Jerusalem.

Jews were also persecuted in Christian lands and welcomed and sided these Arab conquerors, considering them to be kindof Noahides.

Jews aided the Arabs in the conquests of Jerusalem, Damascus, Cyrene and even Spain, becoming governors, advisors etc.

True Islam arise in the 9th century heavily influenced by Judaism but also incorporating Zoroastrianism and Arabic paganism (jinn etc)


34 posted on 11/15/2025 11:25:09 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Uncle Miltie

The creation of Islam definitely wasn’t Jews fault.

I put the creation as due to a number of factors:
1. The Roman Empire never managed to conquer the Hijaz, but had strong influence there due to the Roman Red sea trade with India

2. The Ethiopian Christian Aksumite empire did briefly conquer the Hijaz but didn’t hold on to it long.

3. The Zurvanite Zoroastrianism of the Sassanid Dynasty Persian Empire had a strong influence on Arabia

4. The Romans and the Persian had Arab proxies , the Lakhamids and Ghassanids who lived on the borderlands. These did the actual fighting for the Romans and Persians until these two empires got bankrupt, stopped paying them and the Arabs said “why don’t we just take over”

5. The century long Roman Persian war that exhausted both empires and ended with first the Persians conquering Jerusalem (with the help of local Jews and briefly wetting up a renewed israel) and then the Roman resurgence where they destroyed the Zoroastrian fire temples.

The Arabs just stepped into that chaos and got a ready made empire.

They couldn’t believe it and ascribed it to divine providence and created Islam

I need to add also the post Chalcedon schism inside Christianity when the Afro-Qsiatic speaking Egyptians (speaking Coptic) and Syrians (speaking Aramaic) broke away from the Greek speaking Catholic-Orthodox for what I consider proto nationalistic reasons cloaked with religious


37 posted on 11/15/2025 11:46:55 PM PST by Cronos
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