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To: Jonty30

So it is a heresy? That’s what Belloc said.


2 posted on 11/15/2025 4:08:16 PM PST by nwrep
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To: nwrep

Basically it would be heretical Torah only Judaism.
It may also explain why some Jews have an affinity for Islam, because they view it as a sister faith to themselves.


4 posted on 11/15/2025 4:09:54 PM PST by Jonty30 (I've been diagnosed as being polemic and there is no cure. )
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To: nwrep; Jonty30

Yes, islam started off as a Judauc-Christian heresy. It was a Unitarian sect that considered Jesus not to be Gid but a prophet.

In the Quran Moses is mentioned 127 times.

In the Quran Jesus is mentioned 36 times.

And in the Quran the word Muhammad is mentioned 4 times and each time it is used as a title.

Muhammad is a title meaning “Praiseworthy one”. It was not a personal name before the 7th century.

This is a title that was used for Jesus...

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Yes. Fir the first century after the Arab conquests we find no mention of Muhammad, Mecca, the Quran, Islam. Only when the Ummayyads were overthrown by the Fatimids (Arabs who had settled in Iran and taken Zoroastrian aspects into their Ebionite Christian beliefs) do we get the idea that Muhammad was a distinct person from Isa (the Arabic Jesus).

Only then, In the late 8th century was islam created.

It’s Hadiths, sharia etc were written in Baghdad in the same place the Jewish Talmud and Jewish law Halakha were being finalized

Only from the 750s - 100 years AFTER the Arab conquests do we see islam, muhammad etc on coins and inscriptions.

Only in 750 is the Quran written down, 200 years after it was supposedly given. Only in the late 700s do we see Hadith sayings written down.

As fir the biography of this character Muhammad, the Sirah? It was written in the 800s, 200 years after its lead character supposedly died.

That’s like saying Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter is a biography


31 posted on 11/15/2025 11:10:31 PM PST by Cronos
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To: nwrep

I don’t know. Maybe. At this point, what difference does it make.

Saducees didn’t proselytize among the nations. It was a strictly Jew on Jew sect. Muslims aggressively and sometimes forcibly proselytize everyone. That’s the main departure. I don’t really care, as stated above.


57 posted on 11/16/2025 3:24:06 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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