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When Britain was Divided East and West [20:09]
YouTube ^ | April 27, 2025 | Paul Whitewick

Posted on 04/29/2025 10:01:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

For a short while now I have been aware of a significant bank and ditch cutting through a significant part of the landscape. It cuts through a Roman Road, so I wondered if anyone knows anything about it. Has anyone dug here, can we learn more about it on site. Turns out this could well be one of the most important features in southern Britain. Why ever are we not talking about this more?  
When Britain was Divided East and West | 20:09 
Paul Whitewick | 174K subscribers | 21,195 views | April 27, 2025
When Britain was Divided East and West | 20:09 | Paul Whitewick | 174K subscribers | 21,195 views | April 27, 2025

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: bokerleydyke; godsgravesglyphs; paulwhitewick; romanempire

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0:02·Britain used to be divided east and west by this I'm in a quite a substantial ditch here We've got
0:08·a massive bank up to one side just there That'll tell us something important very shortly I'm sure
0:14·But the best thing about this structure just have a look up the top of the bank here Okay So
0:20·if I climb out of the ditch from this point I can see this heads in that direction south for quite
0:26·some distance And if I can spin the camera around without dropping it well we head off to the north
0:33·in that direction for quite some distance too Now broadly speaking I'm in the center of southern
0:37·Britain Geographically well I'm splitting the west from the east So what exactly is going on here now
0:44·if you like your history you've probably heard of a few historic walls in Britain Hadrian's wall in
0:49·the north the Antonine wall even further north and maybe even Offers Dyke and Wansdykes in the early
0:56·to Middle Ages Well now we have another to add to that list Of course it was already on the list but
1:03·looking at the sheer scale and size of this one the direction well I feel it's quite important
1:07·that we talk about it and we try and understand who constructed it what were they doing were they
1:12·protecting the west from the east perhaps how long was it so many questions And maybe those questions
1:18·will help us try and understand the history at the time Welcome to the story of the Bockerley Dyke
1:30·dyke Okay So what exactly can we see today it turns out quite a bit and it's really odd for
1:43·so many reasons So as I'm stood in what I consider to be the middle of the extent of this wall this
1:49·is Martin Down and I'm just inside Hampshire Now the wall and huge bank on that side and the ditch
1:57·that I'm stood in this side not a lot on that side at the moment Well that went at least 2 or 3 km in
2:02·that direction to the north and at least 2 or 3 km in that direction to the south Did it extend
2:07·further is a bit of a question that we'll come to shortly because that plays an important part
2:12·Now if I walk to the other side of the wall if I step through the wall to the west well
2:18·then I'm in Dorset So the modern county border of Hampshire and Dorset actually follows this
2:23·earthwork in significant part Again this could be useful later Well it's a bit windy up here on the
2:30·top of the bank so forgive that But we have an amazing view to the east We can see what we're
2:35·defending against We can see anything incoming towards us Great position Now I want to show you
2:41·something else really crucial but we're going to get out the wind and head that way south about a
2:46·kilometers So one or two km south of where I started And this is Blagdon Hill And it's
2:55·said to be the the greatest extent of this earthwork representing what it used to be
3:00·and used to look like when it was what it was And up here on that hill you really get a sense of it
3:08·Let me climb down into the ditch I'll tell you that we have from width to width that way 27 m
3:17·Now I'm now 5 m from the uh the top of the bank way up there I'm 3 m on this side from the actual
3:26·sort of ground level And don't forget this would have silted up quite a bit And the view here I can
3:31·see from miles I feel like I can almost see back to Ssbury This really rivals things like offers
3:37·dyke and wands dyke But it gets even weirder Now back up to what I referred as the middle
3:42·part of this the Martin down section Things get really curious because this section here is even
3:48·wider largely because it's double ditched as we head north So think of your double ditched hill
3:54·for Okay so there is a lot we can see but what about what we can't see okay so I'm just walking
4:03·up to the top of the ridge here ahead of me This is Stonehill Gate and I'm around a kilometer or
4:10·two south of where I was with the earthworks of Buckley Duck I mean the mad earthworks Now
4:16·according to the old maps well they stop further north of here before we get to this point here
4:22·But but here is the thing The earthworks do continue just with a notable difference
4:31·They're much smaller We're talking maybe a meter instead of 5 m Now this sounds more
4:37·like a boundary ditch like Grim's Ditch and such of the late Bronze Age early Iron Age Okay so take
4:43·a look at this This is part of that smaller line How well that comes out on camera I don't know
4:50·But there is the ditch bank I'm on the counter scarp And that line carries on from Boccoli Dyke
4:58·carries on four or 5 km south keeps on going almost until Verwood direction where it hits
5:03·a valley bottom in a river Now if it's like this on the southern end well I wonder what
5:08·it's like on the northern end I wonder how far north it goes that way and what kind of a huge
5:13·structure we're actually looking at that divided this side on the west that side on the east
5:22·Okay so here things get a little bit messy but this is good So let's map this as we go Now we
5:29·can flip this drone shot and stick it on the Bley Dyke that is on the maps And we can also
5:33·map the current A354 and the Roman road Yep back to that shortly Now do you remember I
5:41·told you just earlier what we saw back at the junction uh the defensive work split into two
5:48·as we head further northwest away from that junction So I'm now to the northwest Well
5:53·they start to split into potentially three different directions Now two start to head
5:58·almost due west and one importantly continues on the northn northwest alignment The one we see back
6:04·towards the south This is labeled as great ditch banks However the single most important thing I
6:11·can see here have a look through this hedge just here Yep there it is as as expected Well we have
6:18·a significant piece of earthwork We've got a um a wall a defensive structure clearly and we've
6:25·got a ditch in front of it So we're defending that side We're defending the southwest This
6:30·side however things change that side of the road As we continue our journey northwest well
6:36·we don't see these strong earthworks anymore we see more of the linear boundary type earthworks
6:42·we saw way back to the south on the other end of this bokeley dyke So while we're seeing a pattern
6:48·here significant earthworks in the main middle section and more like a demarcation on either
6:54·end either side while this is great we feel like we're getting somewhere and don't forget we've
6:59·got great ditch banks marked on many a map again to the northwest of here So could this one have
7:06·carried on that way would it have been another new line over there we've got so many questions
7:10·Perhaps the biggest one is have we dug here at all can we gain some context from those digs
7:16·and do we know who exactly was defending that area there from whatever was coming in from the
7:22·east so Richard Cult came here in the 1700s and he was puzzled and I can completely understand
7:32·why There is a lot to unpack He identified some of the features here but went with the notion that
7:37·this was indeed just a Roman settlement This is good He does some really good diagrams and tries
7:43·to understand the landscape here But there is one person that would enter the scene here and
7:49·they would change everything we know about this landscape They change our understanding of this
7:54·wall this east west divide in steps Augustus Pit Rivers I love that name Now Augustus does
8:03·a lot of work here and firstly he notes what we can see Now Pit Rivers makes some wonderful
8:08·diagrams of this all along it various shapes and sizes but more importantly than all of that for
8:14·us now he speculates how far this wall went Now bear in mind I'm four or five miles northwest
8:20·of Bockley junction back in that direction and even up here one of the routes that he
8:25·speculated well there's an old map this has great ditch banks and that would have been in the field
8:30·just beyond this hedro just here through here into that field too there is nothing left now
8:36·in either side nothing from aerial shots nothing from the liar and even this route
8:41·way here the track that I'm on shows no signs of it because it's been metal however we know
8:45·it was there because they marked marked it on those maps late 1800s And also Pit Rivers does
8:51·speculate that it came out this far and maybe beyond another 5 or 10 miles to the northwest
8:58·Now a quick side note I want to say how much I love Pit Rivers here His writings really
9:03·highlight that any prior research here tends to rely on guesswork of towns and battles and
9:08·campaigns and he wants to stick with hard solid facts and evidence He even quotes Mr
9:13·green in writing and the making of England History indeed can hardly be attempted with
9:18·any profit until the scattered records of research among the roads the villas and the tombs etc of
9:24·this period have been in some way brought together and made accessible I love that So pit rivers we
9:32·digs The year is 1888 And Augustus Pit Rivers Here's the farmer via a friend that seems to be
9:44·digging into one of these huge banks here just the other side of the road at Wood Yates Farm
9:49·He's dressing all of his field in the soil from this bank Augustus Prit Rivers is alarmed by this
9:56·and learns that the farmer also found five Roman coins within it So it inspires him and
10:01·he writes to Sir Edward Hulse who owns all the land here and he says "Can I do some digging?"
10:07·But not just for soil for the land I'd like to do some proper archaeology So those initial coins
10:13·found by the farmer dated 268 AD to 350 AD Now pit rivers didn't have any context of those and their
10:21·placement So to ensure they weren't just later coins scattered on top of the soil or silk he dug
10:27·and he dug deep And in one significant section 30 ft south of the road he found nearly 500 coins The
10:34·key was of course the latest dated one that turned out to be honorious emperor between 393 AD and 423
10:44·Side note Augustus Pit Rivers actually agreed with Sir Richard Halt [ __ ] on the town that was here
10:50·the settlement and he said it was indeed Vindo Cladia which broadly translated in his eyes to
10:56·um white bank or white ditch Not sure that completely works but we'll run with it
11:02·So Pit Rivers established that this was very late Roman or very early post Roman Now that
11:08·sounds like a nice tidy conclusion but that was only the start because as he was excavating a
11:14·drainage ditch for the settlement here well that went further west and he found another
11:19·ditch and another wall Now because of the way this interacted with the drainage ditch he knew that
11:25·this was earlier than the former So importantly for us Augustus Pit Rivers did some excavations
11:32·on what he referred to as Bocali Junction So it's the bit just ahead of me now where the
11:37·road crosses through the dikes and of course so does the Roman road So he excavated in detail the
11:43·Roman road in order to give us the following sequence One the Roman road was constructed
11:51·no reason to doubt soon after 43 AD Two the rear dyke was constructed sometime after 364
11:58·AD blocking the Roman road off completely Number three the rear dyke was then filled in Number four
12:05·the Roman road was then laid back on top of the rear dyke as a repair to the route Number five
12:11·the fordikeke was then constructed on top of this newly repaired road sometime after 393 AD
12:19·And never was the Roman road repaired after that time So that was this section kind of complete
12:25·for Augusta's Pit Rivers We have two different phases of construction seemingly blocking off
12:30·the main route west from here But what Augustus found next opened up yet more questions Now as I
12:37·head around half a kilometer or so south to go and show you something quite bizarre Well I'm
12:43·continually staggered by the sheer size and scale of this earthwork In both phases this must have
12:50·taken some significant manh hours Hundreds and thousands perhaps of people all working hard here
12:57·to block off a route They were scared and they feared something coming in from the west This
13:02·is quite a substantial piece of history here and I'm still confused as to why it's not talked about
13:08·more So next up is a really curious feature called the epilment or the shoulder And it's
13:17·not easy to get to but have a look at this The feeling was that perhaps this was the top end
13:24·of an earlier boundary The shoulder bit sticks out as if it was to protect something Pit rivers
13:31·opened up trenches to the west and he found nothing So it didn't go any further than this
13:36·at any point So he opened up a trench on the main part of this shoulder Okay So he found he
13:43·found nothing that he could reliably use to date that apple He found a few surface bits
13:49·and pieces of materials but nothing sort of deep enough that he could say yeah well this
13:53·is definitely the date Now the line of the wall goes there the straight line I say the straight
13:58·line and of course this eplement goes off almost perpendicular in that direction for about 10 m and
14:04·then just stops Now since that point others have conducted from his finds that we could be dating
14:10·this to sometime after 325 AD Well that really just confuses matters even more because that
14:17·implies we now have potentially three different phases of construction three different times in
14:23·a 100redyear period that we needed to defend that side the west from whatever was coming in from the
14:29·east So with that in mind one can possibly back up something that Pit Rivers postulated here So
14:35·this entire defensive wall could have been built on top of a much earlier British linear earthworks
14:41·And by that I mean late Bronze Age early Iron Age You remember earlier on in the video we
14:46·saw to the south side and to the north side of this large wall we saw the more softer linear
14:53·earthwork Well perhaps come the 4th century we needed to build a much stronger defensive wall
14:59·and we needed to build it quick So we already have this line which crosses the Roman road
15:04·Why not build on top of that and use that earlier earthwork as a marker for
15:08·this okay so we have a huge east west divide here We don't know what it was for at this
15:20·stage and we don't even know how long it was Some have speculated 10 mi in that direction
15:26·10 mi in that direction We just don't know at this stage And of course I've only just heard
15:30·of this in the last sort of year or so when I was researching the Roman road that sits just
15:35·behind us So I guess now here I'm on site and I can see it and touch it and I can get an idea
15:40·of the absolute massive scale behind it Well now I kind of want to try and piece it together and
15:46·put into context what Augustus Pit Rivers did with what we know about those eras in history
15:54·So we're clearly defending the west from whatever was to the east Now we have the
15:59·longestablished settlement of old serum And we have what appears to be a blockage protecting
16:05·a huge stretch of open downland behind us This could have been seen as a vulnerable gap through
16:11·which the lifeline of the Roman road traveled So we have a possible initial date of 325 AD
16:18·down that end Now when I researched that era of Roman history I can't find anything really obvious
16:23·It stands out of why you'd need this behind me right now to defend Who knows and we also
16:29·remember that date was a bit sketchy It was based on some of Augustus Pit River's finds he wasn't
16:33·too sure about But what he was sure about is that coin earliest date 364 AD or soon thereafter And
16:40·lo and behold a bit of research shows us we have the great conspiracy or the great crisis
16:49·We have the picss crossing from Hadron's wall from the north And we have the Scotty from what
16:54·is now Ireland from the west And importantly perhaps for us we have the Saxons arriving from
16:59·Germania And the southwest it said that the entire north and west was overwhelmed Cities
17:06·were sacked But the south and the east not quite Perhaps we have news of this
17:10·spreading fast throughout Britain And perhaps do we have news that Venta Belgaram has been
17:15·taken And will Serum be next and don't forget if you're building in haste which you probably were
17:20·for whatever reason well then you may well follow a line that was already here Don't
17:25·forget we have evidence either side of that huge linear late Bronze Age early Iron Age
17:32·boundary A year or so on and we have relative peace Theodors had driven
17:43·barbarians back to their homelands Now this ties in very nicely with
17:47·Pit Rivers saying that soon after the rear dyke was constructed it was filled
17:51·back in again We have the repair of the Roman road but that's where my guesswork
17:56·stops because sometime after 393 we have the wall going up again perhaps towards the end of the
18:09·Roman rule in Britain And we have the more grander version the Ford dyke and perhaps one that went on
18:15·even further We have evidence of that potentially in a field to the northwest marked on the maps Now
18:23·of course when that ford dyke went up this more grander version and it blocked the Roman road in
18:28·the route west once again well it was never taken down and the Roman road was never repaired So are
18:35·we seeing areas now once again protecting from the incoming Saxons that date of 393 AD does indeed
18:42·mark the earliest point at which this could have been built So could we be talking very late Roman
18:48·era or very early post Roman my feeling is probably an obvious one I guess we have the
18:55·date 393 or thereafter Well perhaps for 10 AD when we see the removal and withdrawal of
19:01·troops from Britain of the Romans Onorius even himself said "Well the Britain will have to look
19:08·after their own." And maybe that's what this is Maybe this wall is again we're just rebuilding
19:14·the wall that was already here refortifying it because now we have no Roman protection and we
19:19·don't know what's coming in from the east Or maybe we do know what's coming in from the east
19:23·But one thing that still staggers me right now even after learning all about this is it
19:28·it's not that well known This is a huge piece of history right here in our landscape and it could
19:34·go on for miles in either direction It really did divide East and West Britain on more than
19:40·one occasion So come and have a look at it Come and see it and maybe ask if we can do
19:44·some more archaeology on it Either way click on the like button I'll see you this time next week

1 posted on 04/29/2025 10:01:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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The King Arthur keyword, sorted:

2 posted on 04/29/2025 10:03:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

3 posted on 04/29/2025 10:03:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Kewl!


4 posted on 04/29/2025 12:20:26 PM PDT by ComputerGuy
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To: ComputerGuy

Yup. I’d never heard of this particular barrier before.


5 posted on 04/29/2025 3:56:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Me neither.


6 posted on 04/29/2025 4:01:44 PM PDT by ComputerGuy
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To: SunkenCiv

That just shows to go ya, history is a lot older than we think it is.

(Can’t remember if it was Norm Crosby, Yogi Berra or Paal Gulli who first said that)

From the headline I thought it was about the Norman English (who dominated the west country) and the (displaced) Anglo-Saxon English, who upped stakes and moved to Wales and Cornwall


7 posted on 04/29/2025 4:17:24 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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