Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The WALL that Divided Britain [20:52]
YouTube ^ | December 8, 2024 | Paul Whitewick

Posted on 12/08/2024 6:53:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Welcome to this weeks video, the Story of Wansdyke. This week we take a deep dive into the Wansdyke, a wall, a border, or.... who knows. It spans across a large section south Britain. until recently much of what we know about it was through various antiquarians. But now we have, thanks to Dr Alex langlands, an approximate date that will allow us to piece together this mystery.
The WALL that Divided Britain | 20:52
Paul Whitewick | 147K subscribers | 34,630 views | December 8, 2024
The WALL that Divided Britain | 20:52 | Paul Whitewick | 147K subscribers | 34,630 views | December 8, 2024

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: darkages; godsgravesglyphs; kingarthur; middleages; paulwhitewick; romanempire; wansdyke
Chapters

00:00 - Intro
01:35 - What is it?
03:45 - The missing Link
06:55 - Iron Age
08:31 - A bit Later?
12:36 - The Dig
14:42 - Three Theories
17:30 - Shaw Farm

1 posted on 12/08/2024 6:53:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

2 posted on 12/08/2024 6:56:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Some think the ancient gods, like Woden or Zeus, were actual people in their day.


3 posted on 12/08/2024 6:58:21 PM PST by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

--> YouTube-Generated Transcript <--
·Intro
0:01·[Music] now if you're familiar with the history of Britain well you'll be aware of hadran's wall
0:05·built in 122 ad a Roman Frontier wall you may have even heard of the antonine wall
0:11·same purpose if you really like your history of Britain well you may have even heard of offer's
0:16·Dyke the wall that separated Mercier and Wales but what if I told you there was another another
0:23·wall in the south of Britain perhaps of equal if not greater importance have a look at this
0:33·this absolutely Monumental structure and it stretches across Southern Britain from one
0:39·side almost to the other this has puzzled antiquarians of old of new archaeologists
0:45·for hundreds of years surely we should know more about this and what it was for to help
0:53·us understand this wall this Monument would give us so much context about the landscape
0:58·the people and what was going on here at the time that meant the need for this Monumental earthwork
1:04·to be constructed and yet despite almost 300 years of guesswork sporadic digging where we
1:11·still don't know what it was for and who it was built by that was until now in the last couple
1:17·of years we've had some archaeological dates which are going to help us piece this puzzle
1:21·together welcome to the story of Wansdyke we're going to build a wall it's going to be built
·What is it?
1:42·in its physical form that we can observe today we have 2 and a half sections we have the West
1:48·Wansdyke stretching from mais noel to Southern bath this is by far a complete unit and instead
1:53·is made up of individual sections following a clear route it's around 15 km long so we
2:00·have this section the Eastern section which I'm exploring today you're going to see a
2:03·lot of this now this ran from Morgan's Hill uh Northwest of devises all across to South
2:08·Marlborough in savanake Forest that's the absolute definite route potentially more
2:13·further on but these are the Earthworks that you can see still remaining today now this
2:18·route is 18 km long and is considered perhaps the most complete section of the sections of
2:24·the ones dik now I suggested we had two and 1 half sections I'll come to the half shortly
2:30·but first of all pressing problem of how do we know that this section here the Eastern section
2:34·had the same purpose as the Western section how do we know they were built at the same time by the
2:39·same people first and foremost the configuration of each earthwork is identical both have the bank
2:44·on the self and a ditch on the North sometimes with a very small counter Bank on the North with
2:50·that therefore we can tell it was built by the people on the South Side well secondly we have
2:55·its name ones like wen's ditch wen's dke now we can tell this goes back a long way because it's
3:02·mentioned in a number of anglo-saxon Charters and the first of those was 903 ad I was going to
3:08·carry on walking inside the Wansdyke but at this point I'm have to somehow climb up the slippery
3:14·Bank okay I didn't climb it cuz I was a bit worried about doing damage to it that leads
3:20·us nicely to the next question the main question when was this built cuz that's the point of the
3:24·entire video cuz if we understand when this was built well then that would give us so
3:28·much context about the people and the lives and the landscape here at the time we can
3:32·put this into the history we already know just look at the size of the thing it's absolutely
3:38·Monumental so we have two clear sections with Monumental Earthworks Earthworks speaking of
·The missing Link
3:53·an organized Society we have a name and we have a maximum date of 903 ad when
3:59·we have our first written evidence for this structure okay so that's all good we have the
4:05·uh Eastern side and the western side but what of the gap between the two well I'll have a look at
4:10·this and you'll see exactly what joined them just the other side we have a slightly raised Ager of
4:16·a Roman Road we've got a ditch here which marks this hedgeline now this Roman Road sort of goes
4:22·between uh the western side of the Eastern section at Morgan's Hill all the way across
4:27·to B on the Eastern side side of the Eastern section of the onak and it's connected by this
4:33·Roman Road you have a very straight line for Miles hedge rows and a ditch here in between
4:40·me and the Roman Road just the other side now I don't want to play Down the Roman Road I'm very
4:46·much here for that but in context of today's Quest what does it mean well I guess we have
4:51·two options if this was just a coincidence and the Roman Road was not seen as part of
4:55·the entire structure we can consider two separate Earth Works perhaps in their own right maybe this
5:02·low land that the Roman Road finds itself on in between was never really traveled in the north
5:08·south Direction and The on dikes well they were there to see off traffic from the Ridgeway from
5:13·the Northeast and on the other side seeing off traffic from the fossway from the north
5:19·respectively but what if they did use this structure what if it turns out they did use it
5:26·as part of the Wansdyke the bit that connects the east and the West all the way along here
5:31·doesn't look like a huge structure do we have any evidence at all that it was part of that structure
5:37·it turns out we do I'll list it and you let me know if you buy it or not number one well we do
5:44·have the OS maps from the sort of the late 1800s and they do detail this as both the Wansdyke and
5:49·the Roman Road that's only 150 years or so of history number two we can go back a bit further
5:56·to some early tith Maps late 1700s early 1800s and again it details this as the Wansdyke then
6:04·we have number three Tom from allotment Fox the YouTube channel where he discovered a document
6:09·from the 1300s which very much changed my opinion on this whole debate this area was once a huge
6:16·Forest to the north of where I am now Chippenham forest and to the South Melksham Forest now these
6:23·forests had boundaries written boundaries like an old Charter and there we have it
6:29·this Roman Road has for over 700 years been known as the oneskee okay so this isn't
6:36·evidence in itself that this was definitely the ones dke but my goodness me we've now got
6:41·7 or 800 or so years that this had been known as the Wansdyke that's much more tangible than
6:48·anything else to suggest that this was one long linear structure all the way across the [Music]
·Iron Age
6:56·country Okay so let's recap we have a maximum build date of 903 CE and well we don't have
7:06·as yet a start date let's try and pin that down and we'll start here at Morgan's hill our beloved
7:14·William stukeley came here and was inspired to comment and pass judgment in fact he declared
7:20·it was of Iron Age construction and we should overthrow any notion of those that imagine it to
7:26·be anything to do with the Saxons so Stukeley went on to evidence this and he did so on Morgan's Hill
7:32·in fact right here on this very spot cuz this is where from the middle section the Roman Road and
7:37·the Wansdyke actually split and up there you can see the Earthworks that's the Wansdyke Carries
7:42·On up there over the hills and in that direction up that pathway there well that's the direction
7:47·of the Roman Road and stukeley said well we don't need to do any archaeology or any digging here we
7:51·can just look at the landscape the Roman Road he said that cuts right through the onsd therefore
7:58·the ond came before the Roman era fantastic he declared it was built by the baly tribe
8:05·as they Advanced North one of their four walls so surely stoley wouldn't get this wrong would
8:12·he I mean he did get a few things wrong and led people out the Garden Path for centuries
8:16·on end but not this time our stukeley had some basic archaeological principles at play here one
8:22·thing cut through another therefore we can date it we have the Wansdyke as a pre-roman structure
·A bit Later?
8:32·so off goes William stukeley and in comes Sir Richard coalt Hoare self-described as a historian
8:37·of Wiltshire Hoare doesn't do any digging per se but does give us a few really helpful insights
8:44·forgive me on a little bit continuity on this film filmed over two days that are
8:47·very different from one another now Colt Hoare well by and large when he came here he agreed
8:54·with stoley he said yes this was definitely of Iron Age construction it certainly looks like it
8:59·feels like it and he attributed it to a number of different things that stukeley did too but he said
9:05·one other really important factor you see he found a bit like this that was sort of cut through as
9:10·a sheep drove and he looked at one of the uh the banks and he deemed that right down here he said
9:17·well actually there's two different layers to this he said what he saw was uh Iron Age Hill Fort at
9:24·this level and built on top of that was something which was more akin to the Saxons [Music]
9:32·so that's all good maybe we're starting to be on the right track but it doesn't really help
9:35·us pin down a date it just tells us what they used to think a couple of hundred years ago
9:40·but Hoare himself stood over at new buildings on the Eastern side of this section where it just
9:47·stops in the middle of a field in the middle of nowhere no Prominent Point on the landscape and
9:52·he almost came up with a side quest there and then himself well did this go further
9:56·did this use any more dikes that we know of or perhaps this went down to the kennet and
10:01·formed a complete linear boundary across the country from the kenet that side all the way
10:06·across here to the Avon closer to the Bristol end and we have one long Monument which I will never
10:14·stop being completely all struck at look at that there if you can see through the mist and Rain
10:19·he was already friends with the Earl of Ailsbury a major land owner in this area of Wiltshire the
10:25·good Earl and another Shepherd at the time both recall the Wansdyke style earthwork now to get
10:31·the location as they described we have to go off the beat in track to round about here okay
10:38·so that is a shot I replicated from a book The Albany book I think it was and it's a speculated
10:44·route as per sir Coly Hoarse um notion that this went on much further so let's set our own little
10:53·side quest let's stick 60 seconds on the clock as of now let's dive in that hedge and see if we can
10:59·any evidence of the ones like this far out well he's got to find a way in first now straight on
11:05·down that way in a line across the valley goes the bedwin dyke and he stipulated that that would have
11:10·um been part of this Wansdyke I need to find a way in the head so I can actually have a look at
11:14·it and see if it does look anything like the Wansdyke uh just found a suitable Gap clock
11:19·sticking okay so I'm probably going to need more than a minute to explain but nevertheless are we
11:25·in the Wansdyke well we've got a huge Bank on the South off the southwest side slightly less
11:31·of a bank on that side um so this does really fit with the construction of it everything else about
11:37·it looks quite good the the gap between the two Banks looks good so have we got the war stock on
11:44·hand I guess we're never going to know well we certainly aren't going to know before we do some
11:47·archaeology on this and some other sections but I can see why Sir Richard Coalt Hoare and
11:52·others are from speculated that this was the Wansdyke Hoare was now obsessed or inspired and
12:01·he spent months almost years looking at various ditches and dikes from the bedwin Dyke chisbury
12:07·amp Broad Lane ink pen all of those places to try and see if this look like what they look like and
12:14·maybe it was a continuation further that way now many of us today aren't really convinced
12:20·that that does join up to a lot of those dkes and Banks and Earthworks but perhaps time and
12:27·archaeology will one day tell us and fill in that gap for the meantime let's get back on
12:31·track 70 years would pass and we still believe this to be of iron Age construction and that's
·The Dig
12:42·okay because it doesn't half look like a hill fort in places and of course William stukeley
12:47·told us that to be the case so why would we believe otherwise then in steps Augustus
12:52·pitt Rivers now he'd recently become the uh first inspector of ancient monuments
12:59·and he was invited to a dig with AC Smith for the last 100 years or more they firmly believe
13:06·this Monumental structure was indeed of Iron Age construction but now pitt rivers and Smith
13:13·could change this view of Wansdyke you see pitt Rivers had recently dug at Bokerley Dyke down
13:20·on the wichard Dorset borders and that was very similar in construction to this not only that but
13:27·pitt Rivers had also discovered that it was sub Roman or at least very late Roman in its date I
13:34·love this part of the Wansdyke it goes on for miles in that direction now pitt Rivers he set
13:38·up camp at the Bear in devizes and each morning he made his way up to here or just over the other
13:43·side of that hill and him and his team dug a 30ft trench in that trench they found some Samian and
13:49·pottery and an iron cleat very similar to what they found over at Bokerley Dyke there was one
13:56·other thing he found an enclosure which he felt was early Roman and here is the kicker here is
14:02·the most important thing from what pitt Rivers had discovered so that inclosure where he deemed it
14:08·the ones cut through that enclosure and that tells us so much because he also came to heel back down
14:14·the hill at Morgan Hill and he also said that well actually the Roman Road didn't cut through
14:19·Wansdyke the Wansdyke cut through the Roman Road therefore the ond came after the Roman Road and
14:25·the Roman era so right now in real time we can confirm as did Pitt Rivers at the time that we
14:32·are unable to fix a date for the Wansdyke however we can at least determine its Origins are Roman
14:39·or post Roman there were a few other Publications throughout the next 100 years or so but nothing
·Three Theories
14:46·really helped there was a lot of speculation field work and such including this huge piece of work
14:53·by the archaeologist Albany major we also have a few more Digs at the Eastern end of the East
14:59·section that combined with looking at the Modern Parish boundaries and their lack of correlation
15:04·with the Dyke suggested a hypothesis that implied very shortlived usage of the Dyke whatever the
15:11·date though they concluded that in the 1960s that the Wansdyke had achieved its purpose so clearly
15:17·walls and ditches and boundaries or whatever this is well it doesn't work well for archaeology
15:24·because people lived and traveled within their own territory there would have been no active
15:28·life here therefore the archaeology and the finds would be very sparse so let's now consider what
15:35·this would have been used for and we're going to use three different theories to do that I'll
15:41·go through each very briefly and you let me know what you think is the best one or if you have an
15:45·alternative Theory I look forward to meeting you in the comments below 367 ad to 450 ad Britain
15:54·versus Britain gildas a six Century monk from Britain describes in his writing in the absence of
16:00·Rome weak in beating off the weapons of the enemy but strong in putting up with Civil War and the
16:07·burden of sin now this date range sits well with the perspective of the evidence from pitt rivers
16:13·and his conclusions the Builders of the Wansdyke we know would have been from the south side
16:19·so what remained of those that were established centuries before in the form of the bow guy if so
16:25·they would have been protecting from the Dobunni to the north with the potential power vacuum from
16:30·the Romans slowly offering less protection events like the conspiracy of 367 or perhaps the building
16:37·of the Wansdyke was there to protect the roots of the Fosse and equally on the Eastern section that
16:42·of the Ridgeway hugely important trade routes and lines in their territory this Theory however has
16:48·holes Allan Soldat suggests that it doesn't really consider the Durotriges later coming
16:54·out from the somerset levels and reoccupying strategic Hill Forts and capturing the mendit
16:59·and its valuable resources Theory number two 410 AD to 600 AD Britain versus the Saxons now this
17:09·has been discussed a number of times but we have one significant issue that stops IT in its tracks
17:15·this structure was built from those in the South protecting themselves in some way from the north
17:20·their people their resources for the Britain to protect the incoming Saxons well this doesn't work
·Shaw Farm
17:30·so this is shaw Farm I was invited here by the farm owner it's on private land and Untouched
17:36·by the plow and people for centuries that was until Dr langlands and colleagues from Swansea
17:42·University recently came here and turned this entire structure metaphorically on
17:47·its head optically stimulated ill luminescence was the order of the day you take some soil from
17:54·various places and you determine when it last saw a light so let's step forward to 750 CE and
18:00·we have Mercier Aethelbald the king of invading deep into wesex territory in fact Aethelbald was
18:07·a patron of glastenbury Abbey at the time wessex was very much on the back foot now Cynewulf the
18:14·king of Wessex his first act as King in 757 CE where his First Act was to witness the transfer of
18:22·some land within Wessex to Malsbury Abbey within Mercier late 757 ad Aethelbald is murdered likely
18:34·much to the joy of Cynewulf he began to step up we have him noted as battling with some Britains
18:41·granting land himself now in various Charters so I've reached the section where the Ridgeway here
18:48·crosses almost perpendicular with the Wansdyke and uh potentially one of the reasons why it was
18:54·built at this point um certainly in its wall sense now right now could this have been the
19:02·perfect opportunity for Cynewulf to stamp his authority on Wessex and build this build this
19:09·huge Frontier this barrier this trade barrier right now as langlands and Reynolds have both
19:15·suggested in the past this construction this Monumental earthwork could have been a great
19:22·opportunity for Cynewulf to stamp his authority on the the boundary between wessex and mercia to the
19:29·north soldat suggests that the latest point at which this construction could have taken place
19:40·would have been 779 CE when Cynewulf and Offa battled at the Battle of bensington offa took the
19:47·settlement and wessex was subjugated by Mercia for the next 23 years so perhaps we're looking
19:54·at a structure that ultimately inspired offer to build his famous Dyke separated
19:58·Wales from Mercia soon after so what of a date what of optical stimulated luminescence that
20:05·we've been promised while Dr Alex langlands suggests that the the date range would be
20:10·something between 650 CE and 750 CE now that's great because it doesn't fall too far from the
20:16·third theory that we discussed perhaps a tiny bit before Cynewulf his time and perhaps the
20:22·king prior to him was already building up these defenses this border um which perhaps Cynewulf
20:29·took over thereafter well either way we do have Wessex versus Mercier as a result of the test
20:37·conducted just about half a mile in that direction at shaw Farm I've been Paul really appreciate your
20:42·time if you want to click on like And subscribe i' be really appreciative see you this time next week

4 posted on 12/08/2024 7:04:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

https://search.brave.com/search?q=bedwin+dyke

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Bensington

btw, it’s likely that Offa didn’t build Offa’s Dyke. :^)

When was Offa’s Dyke built?
https://www.medievalists.net/2014/04/offas-dyke-built/

Wat’s Dyke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat‘s_Dyke#Dating_controversy


5 posted on 12/08/2024 7:08:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: sauropod

watch later


6 posted on 12/09/2024 5:37:17 AM PST by sauropod ("You didn't take a country. You only won a football game!" - Dan Dakich Ne supra crepidam)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson