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New study provides explanation behind origins of Martian moons Phobos and Deimos
NASASpaceFlight.com ^ | November 24, 2024 | Haygen Warren

Posted on 12/29/2024 10:06:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Led by Jacob Kegerreis, the team's new study revealed that a rogue asteroid may have passed too close to Mars. During its flyby, Mars' strong gravitational pull would have disrupted, or ripped apart, the asteroid, leading to hundreds of thousands of small rocky fragments orbiting Mars.

While more than half of the fragments created from the disruption event are believed to have been ejected away from Mars, those trapped within the planet's orbit would have continued to collide, creating more debris. After these collisions stopped and the fragments settled into a ring around Mars, the material within the rings likely began clumping together, creating the Phobos and Deimos we know today...

The Martian Moons Exploration (MMX) mission is a Martian sample return mission led by the Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) that will travel to both Phobos and Deimos. While at the moons, MMX will extensively study the moons and their characteristics to learn more about their composition and origin. While at Phobos, the MMX spacecraft will collect samples of the moon's surface to return to Earth, where it will be sent to a lab for in-depth study. The internal composition of the moons (i.e. what they're made of) could be the major clue that helps scientists determine whether or not the moons were once asteroids or the results of an impact/disruption event.

MMX is currently set for launch in 2026 and features a variety of instruments and technology demonstrations, including NASA's Mars-moon Exploration with Gamma Rays and Neutrons (MEGANE) instrument and a pneumatic sampler technology demonstration.

(Excerpt) Read more at nasaspaceflight.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; catastrophism; deimos; mars; phobos; science
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A NASA study using a series of supercomputer simulations reveals a potential new way Mars' two moons formed.
How Did Mars Get Its Moons? | 1:48
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How Did Mars Get Its Moons? | 1:48 | NASA's Ames Research Center | 130K subscribers | 23,930 views | November 20, 2024

1 posted on 12/29/2024 10:06:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 12/29/2024 10:09:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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3 posted on 12/29/2024 10:10:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Taking samples from Phobos?

The Bemmies ain't going to like that.

4 posted on 12/29/2024 10:26:13 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Not a NASA website. Believed to, would have, likely. This is not an article of facts. It is speculation. Postulating a complex sequence of events and creating a computer simulation to demonstrate how it is possible for that sequence of events to have actually occurred. This is not science. If a body flew by Mars and was broken into pieces then became more pieces and then a ring which has since disappeared and now only two tiny pieces are left, it’s too much explanation than necessary.

Diemos and Phobos were most likely captured from the asteroid belt which is kind of close to Mars and has lots of asteroids in the size range of Mars’ moons. This is the result of a study made by me using the computing power of a human brain and repeating similar studies done by large numbers of other human brains.


5 posted on 12/29/2024 10:45:07 PM PST by webheart (S)
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To: webheart
In any event, the fate of Mars' moons is already known to be sealed. Phobos the larger and nearer moon, is falling into Mars (orbital altitude is decreasing by 2 meters every 100 years), meaning it will break up and become a ring of detritus. Deimos, smaller and farther away, is slowly increasing its orbital altitude and will eventually escape Mars and fly away in Solar orbit.

So, like, who cares about speculating how they formed or were captured? Just wait long enough and it won't matter.

/s

6 posted on 12/29/2024 11:02:58 PM PST by dayglored (This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Psalms 118:24)
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To: webheart; SunkenCiv
Postulating a complex sequence of events and creating a computer simulation to demonstrate how it is possible for that sequence of events to have actually occurred. This is not science.

It is part of the process, as long as one calls the product a hypothesis and not a postulate. From the language of the report, I don't think they are. Before one could justify the expense of a consequent experiment (go look and get samples), one would have to generate findings consistent with the hypothesis. That's what this model appears to me to be. If said experiment requires political backing to expend the capital, one can forgive a bit of hyperbole in generating popular support as long as it doesn't distort the actual proposal.

Diemos and Phobos were most likely captured from the asteroid belt which is kind of close to Mars and has lots of asteroids in the size range of Mars’ moons.

Looks like your language is similarly couched in the hypothetical.

7 posted on 12/29/2024 11:04:49 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Saturns rings are “raining” down on Saturn. They are decaying. The rings on Mars may have suffered the same fate instead of clumping together.
Why does entropy cause everything to fall apart, except when planet or moon building?


8 posted on 12/29/2024 11:15:47 PM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and harder tro find.)
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To: Getready
Why does entropy cause everything to fall apart, except when planet or moon building?

Liberals and Democrats.

9 posted on 12/29/2024 11:22:02 PM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: Getready
Why does entropy cause everything to fall apart, except when planet or moon building?

Consider the way economies of scale tend to concentrate capital.

10 posted on 12/29/2024 11:41:34 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s as good a theory as any. Most of the dust that makes up the Zodiacal Light is thought to have originated from mars, and a captured asteroid breaking up in Mars’ orbit would explain that.


11 posted on 12/30/2024 12:07:43 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: SunkenCiv

I was told that those two moons are spacecraft that were fashioned from asteroids. They were used to bring about 1/2 of the Palladian ancestors to Mars. It is true, somebody told me that.


12 posted on 12/30/2024 5:48:59 AM PST by GingisK
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To: SunkenCiv

An interesting aspect of Mars’s moons is that they orbit counter to the direction of Mars’s rotation. The tidal transfer of angular momentum from earth to our moon results in the moon receding at a rate of about one centimeter (roughly 3/8 inches) a year away from earth. The same phenomenon on Mars causes his moons’ orbit to gradually decrease, and in a few million years they will enter Mars’s atmosphere and deorbit, crashing into the surface! What a spectacle our descendants will be able to witness!


13 posted on 12/30/2024 6:20:11 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: webheart

It is “speculation”, but based on physical models, and proposes one theory of the genesis of Mars’s moons. Phobos is well withing the Roche limit of Mars. If Phobos were a “rubble pile”, it would already have broken up. It must be held together by tensile strength, which reinforces your argument.


14 posted on 12/30/2024 6:30:19 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: dayglored
I've often wondered if it would be more beneficial to crash both moons into Mars, or to boost Phobos up until it's stable, combine it with Deimos, and then thereby make Mar's rotation more stable.

But it seems to me the first step to fixing Mars is to get the solar wind to stop stripping atmosphere off of it. Either create a magnetic field on Mars, or put up a magnetic shield in the Lagrange point between Mars and the Sun.

15 posted on 12/30/2024 7:15:07 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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> But it seems to me the first step to fixing Mars is to get the solar wind to stop stripping atmosphere off of it. Either create a magnetic field on Mars, or put up a magnetic shield in the Lagrange point between Mars and the Sun.

Yes, but unfortunately, either of those endeavors are far beyond our capabilities and budget. We'll be better off burrowing and building surface shelters.

16 posted on 12/30/2024 9:35:37 AM PST by dayglored (This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Psalms 118:24)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I read papers for both of these ideas, but I think the Lagrange point one has a major flaw.

To create a magnetotail that encompasses Mars, it’s going to take a gargantuan magnetic field. Putting aside the uncertainty as to whether we can create a steady-state field that strong, I think the real idea-killer will be the solar wind.

A satellite generating that field will be taking in planetary-scale solar wind levels. Since it will be in a vacuum, I don’t think we have any hope of radiating away that much energy before it quickly melts the spacecraft.

The other solution I read about was running a superconducting cable all the way around the planet. It postulated the cable would be made of BSCCO, 5-6” thick, and cooled by LN2. You’d probably have to oversize it to account for imperfections, but if you had 100 roving machines that could extrude the cable you could place them 120 miles apart and they could gradually build segments as long as they’re kept supplied.


17 posted on 12/30/2024 9:48:16 AM PST by Windcatcher
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To: SunkenCiv

The truth is they are just guessing.


18 posted on 12/30/2024 2:17:26 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Before you post a nasty, stop and think: "Would that person slap me if I said it in person?" )
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To: Blood of Tyrants

No, that’s not ‘the truth’.


19 posted on 12/30/2024 4:52:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yes, it is. It’s a guess based upon known gravitational physics but it’s still just a guess. Just like the age and origin of the universe is just a guess that, thanks to the Webb telescope, changes all the time. That is if you prescribe to the theory that everything came from nothing for no reason.


20 posted on 12/31/2024 7:31:54 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Before you post a nasty, stop and think: "Would that person slap me if I said it in person?" )
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