Posted on 11/17/2024 2:58:53 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
President-elect Donald Trump is inheriting a blood-soaked war in Ukraine. He has pledged to put a swift end to the carnage.
Mr. Trump hasn’t explained his plan — if, indeed, he has one — but Vice President-elect JD Vance has called for Ukraine to cede captured land to Russia and drop its pleas to join NATO in exchange for peace. Mr. Trump’s national security adviser nominee, Representative Michael Waltz of Florida, has criticized the flow of U.S. aid to Ukraine and called for prompt negotiations, questioning whether the United States should support the complete liberation of Ukraine.
If Mr. Trump follows their advice and pushes Ukraine into talks that result in lost territory, his political rivals as well as hawks in his own party will accuse him of abandoning Ukraine and rewarding Vladimir Putin’s hunger for expansion.
They would be right; there’s no way to sugarcoat it. Ukrainians would be hung out to dry, and Mr. Putin could end up attacking again or expanding his imperial designs to other neighbors.
Mr. Trump should do it anyway.
Dozens of people, and often hundreds, are dying every day in this grinding war. Mr. Trump should seize the chance to save lives. Nobody is coming to save Ukraine. A settlement will eventually be needed.
Despite flashes of spectacular success by Ukrainian forces, the Russian position has gradually strengthened, and there is no reason to expect Mr. Putin to lose the upper hand now. That may sound like defeatism, but it’s also realism. Nor is it a partisan perception — there have long been reports of Biden administration officials quietly trying to nudge Ukraine toward negotiations.
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The War Pigs are not going to like this.
We need to go into Ukraine to see if we can find any loot left from the tens of billions we sent into that corrupt s**t bucket.
This didn’t age well, with this afternoon’s news of deep missile strikes into Russia proper...
Two NY Times articles in a few minutes. I generally don’t believe anything they say.
They also authorized stoem shadows and scales use of F-16s, and the use of Ukranian WMDs, on Russian territory. Also sending Taiwan arms.
In other news Britain and France just abandoned Czechoslovakia ensuring peace in our time.
Another inevitable.
60s note:
Andy Warhol’s Exploding Plastic Inevitable in 1967 included a film of his new form of live spectacle: music, light, film, art and counterculture combined in multimedia happenings.
Starring Nico and the Velvet Underground.
In the 60s all the women used to look like this (not really):
https://www.google.com/search?q=images+nico&sca_esv=651549d4eb9f225e&udm=2&biw=1052&bih=479&ei=03Y6Z5TJB5H_ptQPnMfh2A0&ved=0ahUKEwjU_vu8veSJAxWRv4kEHZxjGNsQ
This administration is all about screwing the war pigs and the American populace is behind this administration — they’ve been given a mandate to fulfill.
Ukraine is not going to give up all its territory and drop its bid to enter NATO.
The BEST Russia could hope for it to officially get Crimea, and then withdraw from all other Ukrainian territory and accept Ukraines admission into NATO
The New York Times and the Ukrainians need to realize they cannot win back the territory the Russians stole.
So they can make peace and keep what they have, or fight a forever war.
Sometimes you have to cut your losses. Give up Crimea and the Donbas. There is no chance to win them back thru arms.
You apparently haven't been paying attention.
>> Mr. Trump hasn’t explained his plan — if, indeed, he has one
>> If Mr. Trump follows their advice
haughty much?
“Mr. Trump hasn’t explained his plan — if, indeed, he has one”
Why don’t you ask him Megan, you whore.
Here Mark17, let me help you out.
This article is complete BS written by people who hate you and tried to kill your candidate at least twice.
If you can find a bone of truth in all of this news of the Rus-Uke war, you win a prize.
You would think that the Ruskie 'clown car' army being bogged down and unable to take Kiev for almost three years might put an end to the ridiculous claims that "PUTIN IS HITLER AND WE HAVE TO STOP HIM NOW OR HE'LL DESTROY EUROPE!!!" Guess some folks haven't caught on yet, even after a year of "TRUMP IS HITLER AND WE HAVE TO STOP HIM NOW OR HE'LL DESTROY DEMOCRACY!!!"
;^)
” — if indeed he has one — “
Not reading the Slimes, but thanks.
“...Vice President-elect JD Vance has called for Ukraine to cede captured land to Russia and drop its pleas to join NATO in exchange for peace.”
That’s exactly what’s going to happen. Well, unless a nuclear exchange happens first.
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