Posted on 10/09/2023 3:07:19 AM PDT by RandFan
I want to check the temperature of the room here...
I'm seeing a LOT of conservatives on social media saying the war in the Middle East is not our problem.
As an anti-war conservative I completely agree however it's surprising to see this sentiment among so many mainstream conservatives?!
We're used to being in the minority on these issues.
While supportive of Israel and absolutely condemning the horrific attacks and hostage taking that we've witnessed it appears many Americans are sick and tired of the foreign interventions.
Only the Neocons on social media are demanding U.S involvement.
In fact I posted one yesterday:-
Nikki Haley: This is not just an attack on Israel — this was an attack on America
Have I got this right? What are your thoughts...
By the way nothing will get done without a Speaker of the House anyway
I use to be of the opinion that war in the Middle East was eternal so stay out. Then I learned how evil Islam is.
You are seeing that attitude from people who are heavily invested in the Ukraine war, and who understand that the US does not have the resources to fight two big wars.
My attitude is that we should never have been involved in Ukraine. The conflict in Israel has shown us TRUE evil.
Fortunately, Israel does not need massive funds. They just need us to tell them “Do what you need to do. We will not hold you back.”
Mainstream conservatives are smart enough to figure out that when your government hasn’t won a war in decades, there’s no point in trying to fight another one.
We have reached the point where sending U.S. military assets to fight a war halfway around the world is like hiring a plumber to do your dental work.
I feel the timing of the speaker election has given everyone pause for thought.
IMO, it’s to early to tell how much our involvement if any should be.
Israel is capable of defending itself, especially with the assistance of the we’ve consistently given them over the years and their own ingenuity,
A bunch of outside contingencies could happen that would require greater involvement of the USA.
How many Americans were taken Hostage by Hamas, do we leave them behind or let Israel handle the issue.
The price of oil could easily go to $150 or more per barrel, crashing most economies, then what considering how Biden is handling the SPR and fossil fuels in general.
Given our open border, how many terrorist groups have infiltrated our border ready to stage terrorist attacks all around the country, what then.
What if Hezbollah, Taliban and other Muslim Terrorist groups start gathering around Israel in a “final battle” situation, what then.
Right now, we need to be ready, support Israel where we can with supplies and intelligence, etc., if this situation begins to spread around the world, all bets are off.
I do not support endless wars like the Ukraine debacle. I do support Israel and anything we can do to support them.
I fully support Israel and condemn the hideous attack against unarmed civilians.
That said, I cannot support military operations by the U.S. for two reasons:
1) Between the Obama and Biden maladministration, our military has been thoroughly compromised both in personnel and equipment.
2) Obama (and that demonic Iranian advisor of his) have blood on their hands. Their material and financial support of terrorist regimes is unforgivable.
I cannot support devoting our blood and treasure knowing that those in power in Washington are not in Israel’s corner.
First rule of being tour own country. Be able to defend yourself. If you’re reliant on other countries, are you truly a country or part of your supporters country?
How Islam progressively takes over countries By Mark Ellis
In Dr. Peter Hammonds book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam, he documents the way Muslims slowly develop a presence in various countries and as their population numbers build, become more aggressive and assertive about exercising Sharia law.
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life, Dr. Hammond notes in his book. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Their takeover of a country, what Dr. Hammond refers to as Islamization, begins when the population of Muslims reaches a critical mass, and they being to agitate for various privileges.
Open, free, democratic societies are particularly vulnerable. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well, he notes.
This is how it works, according to Dr. Hammond:
When the Muslim population remains under 2% in a country, they will be seen primarily as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the current situation in:
United States Muslim 0.6% Australia Muslim 1.5% Canada Muslim 1.9% China Muslim 1.8% Italy Muslim 1.5% Norway Muslim 1.8%
As the Muslim population reaches 2% to 5%, they begin to recruit from ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, within prisons and street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark Muslim 2% Germany Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom Muslim 2.7% Spain Muslim 4% Thailand Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population, Dr. Hammond notes. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food and increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature such food on their shelves along with threats for failure to comply. This is happening in:
France Muslim 8% Philippines 5% Sweden Muslim 5% Switzerland Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago Muslim 5.8%
Soon they begin to apply pressure to allow Sharia law within their own communities (sometimes ghettos).
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions, Dr. Hammond notes. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. These tensions are seen on a regular basis in: Guyana Muslim 10% Riots in Pakistan, 2013 Riots in Pakistan, 2013 India Muslim 13.4% Israel Muslim 16% Kenya Muslim 10% Russia Muslim 15%
The violence increases when the Muslim population reaches 20%. After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia Muslim 32.8% At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia Muslim 40% Chad Muslim 53.1% Lebanon Muslim 59.7% From 60%, persecution of non-believing infidels rises significantly, including sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia law as a weapon, and Jizya, a tax placed on infidels, such as in: Albania Muslim 70% Malaysia Muslim 60.4% Qatar Muslim 77.5% Sudan Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out infidels, and move toward a 100% Muslim society, which has been experienced to some degree in:
Bangladesh Muslim 83% Egypt Muslim 90% Gaza Muslim 98.7% Indonesia Muslim 86.1% Iran Muslim 98% Iraq Muslim 97% Jordan Muslim 92% Morocco Muslim 98.7% Pakistan Muslim 97% Palestine Muslim 99% Syria Muslim 90% Tajikistan Muslim 90% Turkey Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates Muslim 96%
A 100% Muslim society will theoretically usher in their version of peace the peace of Dar-es-Salaam the Islamic House of Peace. Here theres supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia Muslim 100% Somalia Muslim 100% Yemen Muslim 100%
Dr. Hammond observes this Islamic ideal is seldom realized. Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia law, he states.
Dr. Hammond is also concerned by demographic trends. Todays 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the worlds population, he observes. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the worlds population by the end of this century.
Dr. Peter Hammond is a missionary who has pioneered evangelistic outreaches in the war zones of Mozambique, Angola and Sudan. Peter has travelled hundreds of thousands of miles to deliver Bibles to persecuted Christians in Africa and Eastern Europe.
He is the Founder and Director of Frontline Fellowship, the Founder and Chairman of Africa Christian Action, the Director of the Christian Action Network and the Chairman of The Reformation Society and the author of numerous missions-related books. He is the Editor of both Frontline Fellowship News and Christian Action.
Peter has developed the Biblical Worldview Seminar and Great Commission Course to mobilize churches to comprehensively apply the Lordship of Christ to all areas of life and to fulfill the Great Commission.
Peter was born in Cape Town and brought up in Rhodesia now Zimbabwe. He converted to Christ in 1977, worked in Scripture Union and Hospital Christian Fellowship, served in the South African Defense Force and studied at Baptist Theological College, Cape Town. He also earned a Doctorate in Missiology. For more information about his book, go here.
The IAF needs to Carpet Bomb the infested area starting at the border and work towards the beach line. EVERY SQUARE INCH !!! TO THE POINT WHERE A SAND FLEA HAS NOWHERE TO GO EXCEPT TO }{€££ OR THE SALTWATER !!!
And the problem is the Treasury is drained so if you want to assist Israel it becomes even harder.
Quite a situation and entirely avoidable.
I also think more and more conservatives are starting to figure out that Israel isn’t what they once thought it was.
No more military interventions without clearly defined goals.
For Ukraine , Sending military hardware can be arranged but financial support that pays Wall Street Sovereign Hedge Funds and the IMF is out. In war time, these entities will have to freeze obligations like Student loans, never forgiven but suspend payments.
Be sure to take a ride to the top of one of the World Trade Center towers.
They are quite impressive — even for Rand Paul fans.
You’re kind of a moron.
You illustrate the problem with libertarians.
It’s like you’re as dumb and knee jerk as your love to hate “neocons.”
Simple minded.
As if supporting Israel only means sending troops or something.
Libertarians used to be for open borders the same simple minded way.
We never heard George Washington say during his Presidency that we should go to the middle east.
A measured response. I like it.
It is the United States’ “problem” - but not one in which the USA needs to send troops in.
This is similar to the case with Ukraine - it is the USA’s “problem”, but not one where American troops need to go in.
What about a war between Mali and Togo? Not the USA’s problem.
When is it “the USA’s problem”? When the situation can harm American interests.
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