Posted on 04/04/2023 9:48:30 AM PDT by Red Badger
The royal warship Vasa is seen at the Vasamuseet museum in Stockholm on April 24, 2011. (Scanpix Sweden, Anders Wiklund/AP Photo)
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COPENHAGEN, Denmark—A U.S. military laboratory has helped Swedes confirm what was suspected for years: A woman was among those who died on a 17th-century warship that sank on its maiden voyage, the museum that displays the ship said Tuesday.
The wreck of the royal warship Vasa was raised in 1961, and was remarkably well-preserved after more than 300 years underwater in the Stockholm harbor. It has since been place at the Vasa Museum, one of Stockholm’s top tourist attractions where visitors can admire its intricate wooden carvings.
Some 30 people died when the Vasa keeled over and sank just minutes after leaving port in 1628. They are believed to have been crew members and most of their identities are unknown.
For years, there were indications that one of the victims, known as G, was a woman, because of the appearance of the hip bone, Fred Hocker, research leader at the Vasa Museum, said in a statement.
Anna Maria Forsberg, a historian with the Vasa Museum, told The Associated Press that women were not part of the crew in the Swedish navy in the 17th century, but they could be on board as guests. Seamen were allowed to have their wives with them onboard unless the ship was going into battle or going for a long journey.
“We know from written sources that around 30 people died that day,” Forsberg said. “It is thus likely that she was a seaman’s wife who wanted to come along on the maiden journey of this new, impressive ship.”
She said the exact number of people on board that day was not known “but we think there were around 150 people. An additional 300 soldiers were supposed to board further out in the archipelago,” she said.
Since 2004, the Vasa Museum collaborated with the Department of Immunology, Genetics, and Pathology at Uppsala University, which examined all the skeletons on Vasa in order to find out as much as possible about the various individuals on the doomed vessel.
“It is very difficult to extract DNA from bones that have been on the seabed for 333 years, but not impossible,” Marie Allen, professor of forensic genetics at Uppsala University said in the statement. “Simply put, we found no Y chromosomes in G’s genome. But we couldn’t be completely sure and we wanted to have the results confirmed.”
So they turned to the Delaware-based Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory. And thanks to the forensics laboratory specializing in DNA profiling at the Dover Air Force Base, “we have been able to confirm that the individual G was a woman, using the new test,” Allen said.
The Vasa which was supposed to go to a naval base outside Stockholm to wait for the boarding of the soldiers, is believed to have sunk because it lacked the ballast to counterweigh its heavy guns.
By Jan M. Olsen
Your mentioning Holiday Inn Express intrigues me. We stayed at them all over the place, including Clarksville AR Saturday, and Kona and Honolulu soon. I’ve heard of retirees who live in hotels.
How can the skeleton be identified as a woman? We have it on the authority of an eminent professor that skeletons are indistinguishable as to “gender.”
Both were lost the same way. Top heavy, lower gun ports open and heeled by the wind so that those gun ports on the leeward side were underwater. Bloop!
I've heard of retirees living on cruise ships.
If only they had put Stacy Abrams below.
For those who have the opportunity to travel to Stockholm, a visit to the museum where the Vasa is on display is fascinating.
In 1961, the ship was dug out of the bottom of the harbor which, owing to the high percentage of fresh water in the harbor was what kept 95% of the wood preserved.
As I walked around this ship, it looked to be the model for a classic 16th century warship or pirate vessel. Very cool.
We all knew it had to be a woman driver to sink the boat.
You don’t get “sons of the gun deck” (original of “son of a gun”) meaning male child born aboard a warship without occasional women on warships.
The thing is, they were there for things other than sailing and fihgting the ship, and not aboard sailing out of port for potential battle. The females aboard were a port time or “administrative” type short sea voyage.
Also, that there was a woman aboard the Vassa when she sank is proof that women aboard a ship is bad juju.
“Sounds like she must have been high on the Hot vs Crazy Matrix!”
LOL!
Antonie van Leeuwenhoek, refined the microscope, known as the father of microbiology. Certainly knew what a woman was.
How can the skeleton be identified as a woman?
Width and cant/angle of pelvic bones.
wiki
In May 2021 researchers in the Netherlands published a non-destructive neutron tomography study of a Leeuwenhoek microscope.[15] One image in particular shows a Stong/Mosolov-type spherical lens with a single short glass stem attached (Fig. 4). Such lenses are created by pulling an extremely thin glass filament, breaking the filament, and briefly fusing the filament end. The nuclear tomography article notes this lens creation method was first devised by Robert Hooke rather than Leeuwenhoek, which is ironic given Hooke’s subsequent surprise at Leeuwenhoek’s findings.
Correct, Hooke was first, Leeuwenhoek looked at microbes with it.
Recently found something which might be of interest,
sailing the seas and so forth.
Back in 1952 there was a tv series “Victory at Sea”. Do you
remember such a show? LOL sorry, do remember the name (vaguely) but don’t remember ever viewing such a show.
Anyway found some episodes on You Tube to pass on to you.
The You Tube channel is Classic TV CHANNEL
https://www.youtube.com/@classictvchannel3405/videos
The site acknowledges a good many old tv shows, one of which
is Victory at Sea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhQxg6dmSdk
BTW, will make the coffee but refuse to ‘take a letter’. :-)
No, but we have a couple well credentialed biologists now that are telling us that it is impossible to tell the difference between a man or a woman by hip bones and DNA etc.
We have come a long way since then to become this stupid.
Is it possible this was the first tranny?
Viking whore.
Valkyrie..........................
Wow, much appreciate this find!
Actually my Dad who was a Navy veteran of WW2 would watch these movies and make sure me and a few of his older sons watched them.
Boy would he have loved to have seen them on a free channel like YouTube.
I woke up in the middle of the night and found our link waiting for me. Now I’ve got something to watch for a hour or two!
No friggin’ in the riggin’!
Are you one of those people that have to have satire labeled as satire to understand that it is satire?
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