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Death: how long are we conscious for and does life really flash before our eyes?...Death is still a mystery.
FreeThink ^ | April 2, 2023 | By Guillaume Thierry

Posted on 04/04/2023 5:53:14 AM PDT by Red Badger

The first time I reached past the sheer horror of the concept of death and wondered what the experience of dying may be like, I was about 15. I had just discovered gruesome aspects of the French revolution and how heads were neatly cut off the body by a Guillotine.

Words I remember to this day were the last of Georges Danton on April 5, 1794, who allegedly said to his executioner: “Show my head to the people, it is worth seeing.” Years later, having become a cognitive neuroscientist, I started wondering to what extent a brain suddenly separated from the body could still perceive its environment and perhaps think.

Danton wanted his head to be shown, but could he see or hear the people? Was he conscious, even for a brief moment? How did his brain shut down?

On June 14, 2021, I was violently reminded of these questions. I set off to Marseille, France, having been summoned to Avignon by my mother because my brother was in a critical state, a few days after being suddenly diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. But when I landed, I was told my brother had passed away four hours ago. An hour later, I found him perfectly still and beautiful, his head slightly turned to the side as if he was in a deep state of sleep. Only he was not breathing anymore and he was cold to the touch.

No matter how much I refused to believe it on that day, and during the several months that followed, my brother’s extraordinarily bright and creative mind had gone, vaporised, only to remain palpable in the artworks he left behind. Yet, in the last moment I was given to spend with his lifeless body in a hospital room, I felt the urge to speak to him.

And I did, despite 25 years of studying the human brain and knowing perfectly well that about six minutes after the heart stops, and the blood supply to the brain is interrupted, the brain essentially dies. Then, deterioration reaches a point of no return and core consciousness – our ability to feel that we are here and now, and to recognise that thoughts we have are own own – is lost. Could there be anything of my beloved brother’s mind left to hear my voice and generate thoughts, five hours after he had passed away?

Some scientific experiments Experiments have been conducted in an attempt to better understand reports from people who have had a near death experience. Such an event has been associated with out-of-body experiences, a sense profound bliss, a calling, a seeing of a light shining above, but also profound bursts of anxiety or complete emptiness and silence. One key limitation of studies looking into such experiences is that they focus too much of the nature of the experiences themselves and often overlook the context preceding them.

Some people, having undergone anaesthesia while in good shape or having been involved in a sudden accident leading to instant loss of consciousness have little ground to experience deep anxiety as their brain commences to shut down. On the contrary, someone who has a protracted history of a serious illness might be more likely to get a rough ride.

It isn’t easy to get permissions to study what actually goes on in the brain during our last moments of life. But a recent paperexamined electrical brain activity in an 87-year-old man who had suffered a head injury in a fall, as he passed away following a series of epileptic seizures and cardiac arrest. While this was the first publication of such data collected during the transition from life to death, the paper is highly speculative when it comes to possible “experiences of the mind” that accompany the transition to death.

The researchers discovered that some brain waves, called alpha and gamma, changed pattern even after blood had stopped flowing to the brain. “Given that cross-coupling between alpha and gamma activity is involved in cognitive processes and memory recall in healthy subjects, it is intriguing to speculate that such activity could support a last ‘recall of life’ that may take place in the near-death state,” they write.

However, such coupling is not uncommon in the healthy brain – and does not necessarily mean that life is flashing before our eyes. What’s more, the study did not answer my basic question: how long does it take after the cessation of oxygen supply to the brain for the essential neural activity to disappear? The study only reported on brain activity recorded over a period of about 15 minutes, including a few minutes after death.

In rats, experiments have established that after a few seconds, consciousness is lost. And after 40 seconds, the great majority of neural activity has disappeared. Some studies have also shown that this brain shutdown is accompanied by a release of serotonin, a chemical associated with arousal and feelings of happiness.

But what about us? If humans can be resuscitated after six, seven, eight or even ten minutes in extreme cases, it could theoretically be hours before their brain shuts down completely.

I have come across a number of theories trying to explain why life would be flashing before someone’s eyes as the brain prepares to die. Maybe it is a completely artificial effect associated with the sudden surge of neural activity as the brain begins to shut down. Maybe it is a last resort, defence mechanism of the body trying to overcome imminent death. Or maybe it is a deeply rooted, genetically programmed reflex, keeping our mind “busy” as clearly the most distressing event of our entire life unfolds.

My hypothesis is somewhat different. Maybe our most essential existential drive is to understand the meaning of our own existence. If so, then, seeing one’s life flashing before one’s eye might be our ultimate attempt – however desperate – to find an answer, necessarily fast-tracked because we are running out of time.

And whether or not we succeed or get the illusion that we did, this must result in absolute mental bliss. I hope that future research in the field, with longer measurements of neural activity after death, perhaps even brain imaging, will provide support for this idea – whether it lasts minutes or hours, for the sake of my brother, and that of all of us.

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Military/Veterans; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: afterlife; brain; consciousness; death; faithandphilosophy; georgesdanton; guillaumethierry; nde; neardeathexperience; oobe; reincarnation
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1 posted on 04/04/2023 5:53:14 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

The undiscovered country from whose bourne no traveler ever returns.


2 posted on 04/04/2023 5:57:13 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Red Badger

I was dead twice for about a half hour and life did not pass before me, but I did feel the presence of Jesus like never before.


3 posted on 04/04/2023 6:01:01 AM PDT by bray (Order at TheRepublicofTexas.store)
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To: Red Badger
I am hoping that Tony Soprano was correct...

"Everything probably just goes black."

Quite frankly, I do not want to revisit about 50% of my life in the last moments before I die!

4 posted on 04/04/2023 6:10:52 AM PDT by zeestephen (43,000)
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To: Red Badger; beaversmom; PGalt; RealVirginia

NDE/OOBE Ping


5 posted on 04/04/2023 6:11:34 AM PDT by null and void (Precedent now set. Biden and Obama are fair game now.)
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To: Red Badger
This neurosurgeon's mileage varies from the author's.


6 posted on 04/04/2023 6:18:05 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: bray

30 minutes on the other side of life is a long time. The doctors must have fought steadily to revive you.
Not all physicians would chose to do that.


7 posted on 04/04/2023 6:22:20 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: bray

I dsied 2x under general anesthesia — I can tolerate “Twilight” Anesthesia (Propofol) — and was dead in the OR for about 5-6mins, and then again in my private room, after post-op ICU. I stopped breathing both times, but don’t remember anything. They revived me quickly.


8 posted on 04/04/2023 6:26:09 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Red Badger

I’m dying to find the answer to this.


9 posted on 04/04/2023 6:30:43 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Not my fault, yer Honor. I went to the Alec Baldwin School of Firearms Handling. )
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To: Red Badger

“Why fear Death. It is the greatest adventure in life.” - Peter Pan


10 posted on 04/04/2023 6:30:50 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dreams)
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To: bray

I “died” twice too. One of them I had the classic “NDE” but went to hell, not heaven (but i know it didn’t actually happen as much of the experience was unbiblical, though it certainly felt real- if hell is anywhere near as bad as what i felt, (and the fact is that its likely much worse) then i want nothing to do with it!). When I came too, docs were hovering over me and I was iced down (had a high fever which sent me into convulsions). I remember speaking with the docs telling them what just happened, and to make sure they didnt end up there, and they just shrugged it off. That incident has been embedded in my mind all these years

Second time I didn’t experience anything, and just remeber clutching the bathroom sink at a conveinence store when the room started spinning bad, and thinking “oh man, this ain’t good”, and when I came to was wedged between toilet and wall, and blood was everywhere, even on the ceiling. Turns out i had bleeding ulcer which I made worse by weeks of aspirin. They had to do transfusion i had lost so much blood. I felt bad for The woman who had to clean the bathroom. She saif not to worry about it, but man was it gross.


11 posted on 04/04/2023 6:33:51 AM PDT by Bob434 (question )
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To: Red Badger

I think it was the Gospel of Barnabas that stated Jesus went to Hell when he died, before his ascent to Heaven.


12 posted on 04/04/2023 6:39:15 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: lee martell

They worked on me for awhile. Not sure just how long, but it was long enough that while they were working on me, a doc went out and told my parents to prepare for the lossibi,ity I might not make it. Th3y had to get buckets of ice and cold water, and secure me so that I wouldn’t swallow my tongue and such. I came too and was confused about how they all got in the room and wondered what all The fuss was lol. The poor staff got a sermon they likely didn’t want to hear too. One doc even confronted my parents and asked “what are you teaching that boy?”


13 posted on 04/04/2023 6:39:38 AM PDT by Bob434 (question )
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To: Red Badger

I recently read a FB post of the daughter of a close friend. I didn’t realize she had been in a snow accident a year ago. Apparently she was life-flighted to the nearest hospital, and she coded on the way there. She said she could hear the EMT’s saying that they were losing her, and she tried to tell them that they weren’t losing her, that she was fighting and wasn’t ready to go. She was worried about her husband and kids, thinking that they might have been told awful news.

Once she got to the hospital, she was stable but in critical condition. They didn’t know if she would live or die. Then she was told later that as her husband entered the room (hours later) that all of her vitals improved. I don’t know how long it was before she became conscious again to the outside world, but in her mind, she was still there, and never left it, even though she coded while on the life flight. She has completely recovered from her injuries a full year later.


14 posted on 04/04/2023 6:40:16 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TP)
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To: ArtDodger

Hell, in the original usage of the Greek word, simply means the common grave of humanity............


15 posted on 04/04/2023 6:43:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Bob434

Sometimes it’s a good thing to be a feisty spirit who demands to be heard.


16 posted on 04/04/2023 6:45:35 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: BipolarBob
I’m dying to find the answer to this.

I could live the rest of my life without knowing.

17 posted on 04/04/2023 6:48:40 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Red Badger

Life flashes before your eyes before death but it usually takes years to finish. It is called “life”.


18 posted on 04/04/2023 6:50:15 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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To: Red Badger

I have a friend who while serving in the Air Force had to maintain vats of liquid oxygen near the runway, for some reason. One slow day, while he and his friends were bored, a frog hopped past them. He picked the frog up and dropped it into the liquid oxygen to see what would happen, but after a while they felt bad about what they had done and fished the frog out. As the sun warmed the frog on the tarmac it began to move about until finally it hopped away just as it had come. I often wonder how one should describe the state of the frog’s being while in the liquid oxygen. Was it dead; was it not dead but it’s life somehow suspended; was it still alive? It tempting to say that the frog wasn’t dead, but only had its life suspended, but that definition depends on the intent of my friend — will he remove the frog from the oxygen or not? In this case, one cannot know or make any absolute statement about whether the frog is dead or alive in the LOX without knowing the state of mind of the individual who may, or may not, revive him,.


19 posted on 04/04/2023 6:53:43 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
I could live the rest of my life without knowing.

You could, but you might not.

20 posted on 04/04/2023 6:53:55 AM PDT by null and void (Precedent now set. Biden and Obama are fair game now.)
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