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Weekly Garden Thread - October 29-November 4, 2022 (History of the Jack-O'-Lantern Thread])
October 29, 2022 | Diana in WI/Greeneyes in Memoriam

Posted on 10/29/2022 6:11:28 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

If you have specific question about a plant/problem you are having, please remember to state the Growing Zone where you are located.

This thread is a non-political respite. No matter what, you won’t be flamed, and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. Planting, Harvest to Table Recipes, Preserving, Good Living - there is no telling where it will go - and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us! Send a Private Message to Diana in Wisconsin if you'd like to be added to our New & Improved Ping List.

NOTE: This is a once a week Ping List. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest to Gardeners are welcomed any time!


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening; History
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

White tape - saw it & too expensive. I’m already tight on the budget so maybe as this tape needs replacing, I’ll do white.

The wire blocks are 2” wide, 4” tall so bunnies could get in. The garden is out in the open. Going by this morning on my way to the store, I scared a Red-Shouldered hawk off the board fence a few yards from the garden - same thing coming back in! Great bunny deterrent :-) I have never yet had a bunny problem or even seen one out in the field. I am saving my old mesh so I can put it along the bottom of the panels if necessary.

We’re on a country road (about 1.5 lanes wide), hilly & curvy. Our land is still zoned ‘agricultural’. Off the end of the road are 2 subdivisions - there is no outlet other than our road. Lots of traffic, but our house sits far enough back that we aren’t bothered. It’s a big problem when there’s a fire & the trucks block the road & people are ‘trapped’ ( they don’t handle it well) - happened twice when the property next door had two fires at different times. Otherwise, it’s pretty much country living.


81 posted on 10/30/2022 12:08:45 PM PDT by Qiviut (I'm not out of control, I'm just not in their control.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Yah, ...it was really all about the picture of the gardening girl! :)


82 posted on 10/30/2022 6:10:41 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Ellendra

IIRC most of our pumpkin seeds used to be harvested come from something that would be considered a Squash! Tuxpan? (My general recollection from back in the 1980s and 1990s.) I see a number of other seedless pumpkins, Stryian, Kakai, Lakota, Delecata..... Interestiing!

I hope your variety breeds true and you can sell it to one of those seed companies for gardener use!

(Ellen’s Improved Devolution Pumpkin? ummm....no...don’t use that! :)


83 posted on 10/30/2022 6:43:13 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Liz

A warm winter soup topped with Olive Oil and croutons sounds nice!


84 posted on 10/30/2022 7:03:54 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Albion Wilde; cdcdawg
A pumpkin with a little less sprawl!

Sunshine Hybrid Winter Squash

80-95 days. An AAS Winner! Recognized by its bright red-orange color, but sought-after for its flavor. The vitamin-rich, bright orange flesh of this Kabocha-type squash is thick, creamy-smooth and stringless with sweet, nutty flavor. Space-saving 6 to 8 foot vines yield a good supply of the flattened globe-shaped, 3 to 4 pound fruits. Matures early and is widely adapted. 2004 AAS Winner.

One year I grew some kabocha squash! They were not small and they were all over the back of the yard! My squash was heavily ribbed so it was also a bother to knacker it!

85 posted on 10/30/2022 7:16:12 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

People get addicted to Olive Garden’s Tuscano Soup.....it’s that good.


86 posted on 10/30/2022 10:02:42 PM PDT by Liz (`)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This past week was wet, then warm days/frosty nights, followed by more wet here in Central Missouri. We need the moisture, but it would be nice if it could come during the middle of the week.

Mrs. Augie’s holloweenie party returned to the schedule after two years MIA due to the rona fears. The rain held off long enough Saturday night to get a hayride in. One of the couples in attendance are refugees from the communist state of Illinois who recently moved from Chicago to a little country town near Lake of the Ozarks. They are much enjoying their new-found freedom here in Misery.

In the greenhouse I have green salad sprouting in the planter boxes and crucifers coming in starter cells. Party preparations didn’t allow time to put the plastic sheeting over the green bean arbor. I’m hoping to find the time to get that done this week. Still have a good bit of cleanup to do in the garden before I can finish up the compost addition, but I’ve got all winter to get that accomplished.


87 posted on 10/31/2022 6:36:01 AM PDT by Augie
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88 posted on 10/31/2022 6:53:12 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Augie

“...but I’ve got all winter to get that accomplished.”

Jealous! While we’ve had an exceptional Fall, our days up here are numbered! :)

Laying out hoses to drain (I have a lot of hoses!) and raking leaves and clearing out beds and battening down the hatches in the greenhouse.


89 posted on 10/31/2022 6:55:50 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
IIRC most of our pumpkin seeds used to be harvested come from something that would be considered a Squash!

The line between "pumpkin" and "squash" is imaginary. Pumpkins are a type of squash, like hubbards or delicata. In fact, the terms "pumpkin" is less specific than that, because hubbards are always C. maxima and delicatas are always C. pepo. Most pumpkins are C. pepo, but not all. A pumpkin could be any of the squash species.

I have no idea why most seed catalogs separate them.
90 posted on 10/31/2022 8:35:16 AM PDT by Ellendra (A single lie on our side does more damage than a thousand lies on their side.)
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To: Ellendra

*term, not terms. Typo.


91 posted on 10/31/2022 8:36:42 AM PDT by Ellendra (A single lie on our side does more damage than a thousand lies on their side.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Re Villa Louis, I looked it up and wkpd says:

After white settlers drove Indigenous communities from their homelands, (ahh,the glories of woke wkpd...gotta get that stab at whitey in there!) the land was purchased by Hercules L. Dousman, who was a man of many trades: a fur trader, a lumberman, a land sculptor, and a frontier entrepreneur.

I tried to find out what a "land sculptor" is, and other than a tractor attachment - which I don't think ol Herc had - well, Diana, what is a land sculptor?

Now, I've studied a little of Ian Mcharg's "Design with Nature", and that's about as close to what I imagine that is:

Basically, planting 'shields' of evergreens to block the prevailing winter winds, and planting (bushes, etc.) to produce a venturi effect to capture summer winds...things like that. Just a guess, though!

92 posted on 10/31/2022 9:20:48 AM PDT by spankalib
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To: spankalib

I think you’ve got it right!


93 posted on 10/31/2022 9:47:55 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Ellendra

“All Pumpkins are Squash, but not all Squash are Pumpkins.”

Beau and I do that to amuse yourselves:

All Basset Hounds are Dogs, but not all Dogs are Basset Hounds.

All Apples are fruit, but not all Fruit are Apples.

All Forks are Utensils, but not all Utensils are Forks.

All Martinis are Cocktails, but not all Cocktails are Martinis.

It’s amusing to us and sometimes pretty funny. We’re easily amused. ;)


94 posted on 10/31/2022 10:02:35 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

But if you were looking through a pet catalog, and saw they had categories for “dogs” and then a separate category for “basset hounds”, wouldn’t you think it was weird?

And yes, converse errors can be funny sometimes! Although the people who believe them tend to be infuriating.


95 posted on 10/31/2022 10:36:04 AM PDT by Ellendra (A single lie on our side does more damage than a thousand lies on their side.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Maybe when you visit if there’s a docent or other ‘guide’, maybe you can ask! Be cool to hear the answer :)


96 posted on 10/31/2022 10:44:27 AM PDT by spankalib
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
A pumpkin with a little less sprawl! Sunshine Hybrid Winter Squash

Beeyoodeefuw!


97 posted on 10/31/2022 12:25:13 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free... Galatians 5:1 )
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To: Ellendra
As a Basset Hound Lover and mother to THREE Bassets through the years, I think it SHOULD be listed that way! :)


98 posted on 10/31/2022 5:57:13 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Ellendra

Ellendra, This I understand! (Squash fluidity! )

Seed companies: their thinking is probably Is it round and orangy and do you need a truck to transport it? Pumpkin!

Can you use a bushel to carry it and will it go into the house to feed the children? Squash!

If true, let us know the name you choose!


99 posted on 10/31/2022 7:09:57 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Some dogs have brown hair, my dog has brown hair, My dog is Some Dog!

(Huh?)


100 posted on 10/31/2022 7:17:34 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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