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Mongols speaking Malayalam – What a sunken ship says about South India & China’s medieval ties
https://theprint.in/opinion/mongols-speaking-malayalam-what-a-sunken-ship-says-about-south-india-chinas-medieval-ties/1119338/ ^ | September 8, 2022 | Anirudh Kanisetti

Posted on 09/13/2022 8:52:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The silent ceramic objects that survive from medieval Indian Ocean trade carry incredible stories of a time when South Asia had the upper hand over China...

In the 830s CE, a ship tried to make a daring crossing. Navigating treacherous reefs and shoals, it was attempting to move from the South China Sea to the Sunda Strait between Java and Sumatra. After a brief stop there, it intended to catch the monsoon winds to India. This attempt failed, and the ship’s contents — ranging from marvellously carved golden plates to glazed ceramics, from a diplomat’s ink-stone to a small toy dog meant as a gift for a child — sank to the bottom of the sea near present-day Belitung, Indonesia. Today, this cargo and other evidence reveal the incredible interactions between medieval China, India, and West Asia, including multicultural embassies, splendid gifts, and even bureaucratic panic due to India’s overwhelming trade advantage.

By far the most striking remains found in the Belitung shipwreck are a collection of over 60,000 ceramic dishes. These dishes were produced in tens of thousands using standardised templates by something resembling an assembly line, with teams of workers dedicated to working the clay, shaping, painting, glazing, firing and packing it. After being finished in Changsha in south-central China, they were packed and shipped to the embarkation port of Guangzhou. This consignment consisted of bulk orders placed by West Asian merchants, as revealed by the decorative motifs used on the ceramics, which were similar to examples from Iraq and the Persian Gulf. There were large communities of these merchants in Guangzhou.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; archimedes; belitungshipwreck; changsha; china; godsgravesglyphs; guangzhou; india; indianocean; java; malayalam; middleages; mongols; monsoonwinds; southchinasea; sumatra; sundastrait
Changsha bowls from the Belitung shipwreck.
ArtScience Museum, Singapore | Wikimedia Commons
ArtScience Museum, Singapore | Wikimedia Commons

1 posted on 09/13/2022 8:52:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Square-lobed gold dishes from the Belitung shipwreck.
ArtScience Museum, Singapore | Wikimedia Commons
ArtScience Museum, Singapore | Wikimedia Commons

2 posted on 09/13/2022 8:53:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

3 posted on 09/13/2022 8:53:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

China’s medieval ties were always too wide or too thin.


4 posted on 09/13/2022 8:54:45 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: blueunicorn6

;^)


5 posted on 09/13/2022 8:55:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Antkythera Mechanism, the World's first known Celestial Calculator, was found underwater in 1901 .It is believed to have been designed by Archimedes himself.
6 posted on 09/13/2022 9:44:20 PM PDT by Nateman (If Mohammad was not the Anti Christ he definitely comes in as a strong second..)
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To: Nateman

https://freerepublic.com/tag/antikytheramechanism/index


7 posted on 09/13/2022 9:51:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

fascinating, thank you — I didn’t realize the sea lanes were there during Tang China.


8 posted on 09/14/2022 6:01:15 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: SunkenCiv

I read years ago that, in that time period, the Chinese had explored as far west as East Africa and possibly the West coast of the Americas.

Then their exploration ceased.


9 posted on 09/14/2022 7:49:40 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Cronos; Ruy Dias de Bivar

Continual at least, if not continuous, for thousands of years.

https://freerepublic.com/tag/romantrade/index?tab=articles


10 posted on 09/14/2022 7:52:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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The rest of the Mongols keyword, sorted:

11 posted on 09/14/2022 8:14:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; SunkenCiv

In the Tang period???

I know that during the Ming period they sent sea ships to East Africa.

But not earlier — as far as I know, they preferred merchants to come to THEM - so the Malay traders to India and Indian merchants onwards.


12 posted on 09/15/2022 1:08:14 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos; Ruy Dias de Bivar

Chinese goods arrived both in India by sea and overland, and probably via at least one intermediary was involved to get the goods there.

There had been a Chinese expedition to Mesopotamia, which alas arrived not long after the abandonment of the Roman province there (Trajan added it before his death in 117, his boy-loving adopted son gave it up by 119). The delegation is known because they gave their report to the Chinese court, and the records survive. Perhaps because the Romans weren’t in Mesopotamia, the mission was considered a failure, but the distances may have been prohibitive. Probably the reason for the effort was the loss of Chinese control over the Silk Road and western interior. There had been a Chinese embassy to Rome itself (it sez here) in 97 AD.

The Romans picked up much of their eastern Asian trade goods in ports in India, but they also stuck in a toe at least once, as a vessel from the Roman Empire during the rule of Marcus Aurelius (121–180 AD) arrived and is recorded in Han Court records. By the time the Romans reached Han Court China, the dynasty was tottering, and not long after Marcus Aurelius died in the Roman Empire, uprisings started in Han China, and after decades of civil war, the former Eastern Han had been divided between three major states.

This slightly precedes the Romans’ Crisis of the Third Century.

BTW, the late Gavin Menzies basically fabricated his entire “Chinese discovery of America”.


13 posted on 09/15/2022 8:35:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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