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Rabdom questions about EMPs, cars, and location privacy

Posted on 04/27/2022 8:30:38 AM PDT by Chicory

I have been wondering about a couple of things.

First, Faraday cages protect electronics within them from EMPs, right? So would the metal body of a car act as a Faraday cage and protect the electronics within the car?

And I was also wondering... there is a foil-lined envelope I can keep my credit card in to prevent a passerby with a special machine from stealing the info... I wondered if a similar envelope could protect my phone from being located all the time? And maybe that would also protect the phone from EMPs?

Note: I am not going anywhere that would be of legitimate interest to anyone, but I just don't like the idea that they have records of everywhere my phone goes.


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1 posted on 04/27/2022 8:30:38 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: Chicory

> I wondered if a similar envelope could protect my phone from being located all the time? And maybe that would also protect the phone from EMPs?

Since phones radiate location on the gigahertz freq, I think there would be no effect by wrapping it with metal etc.


2 posted on 04/27/2022 8:32:27 AM PDT by struggle
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https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1311&_nkw=faraday+bag+cell+phone&_sacat=0


3 posted on 04/27/2022 8:33:46 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Humans live on 1/4th of what they eat; on the last 3/4ths lives their doctor. --Egyptian Inscription)
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Please do not disclose your Rabdom data


4 posted on 04/27/2022 8:36:07 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go ...)
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To: struggle

Could disabling “Location” still make the phone trackable?


5 posted on 04/27/2022 8:36:50 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop ("There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration” - Pompeo)
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>Could disabling “Location” still make the phone trackable?

If you disable location, I’m pretty sure it disengages the GPS locators, but cellphone ping triangulation (from my opinion) could still easily be used to track you.

I wouldn’t trust having any type of cell phone on my person, even if off, if I was concerned about being tracked.


6 posted on 04/27/2022 8:39:35 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Chicory

Very good questions. Here’s another.

When making a tinfoil hat, is it shiny side in or shiny side out?


7 posted on 04/27/2022 8:41:04 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I love my country. It's my government that I hate.)
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Yes, to a certain degree.

I can dig it up, but the US govt did simulated EMP testing on 19 vehicles. Don't know why 19 instead of 20. When the EMP hit, all of the vehicles stopped running. But, after the EMP, most (17 IIRC) started right back up. Two of them needed electronic parts replaced (engine computer?). It's not as bad on vehicles and computers etc as people think.

Now, the empire's power grids would be TOAST after one good EMP burst 400 miles above Kansas...

8 posted on 04/27/2022 8:41:58 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Hold on, y'all, 2022 is going to be a ride you won't soon forget!)
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https://youtube.com/c/BraxMe

This guy is great on phone privacy.


9 posted on 04/27/2022 8:42:18 AM PDT by paintriot (Die with your boots on )
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Regarding making the phone not "trackable"... that is much easier than protecting it from an EMP, given the frequency spread of an EMP, vs the relatively narrow-band UHF and microwave cell phone frequencies.

Enclosing it in any metal box should prevent the phone from connecting to a tower.

35-year RF design engineer here, with cellular module & antenna design experience.

11 posted on 04/27/2022 8:44:05 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Hold on, y'all, 2022 is going to be a ride you won't soon forget!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I believe the manufacturers have said that the difference in sides is just a product of the manufacturing. So, there is no ‘wrong’ side.


12 posted on 04/27/2022 8:47:02 AM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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Bttt!


13 posted on 04/27/2022 8:49:31 AM PDT by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12)
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To: Chicory

I wrapped my phone with aluminum foil and then tried to call it. It did not ring.


14 posted on 04/27/2022 8:51:10 AM PDT by Blogatron (Biden was elected by a Xerox machine.)
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Unfortunately, Cars are mostly made out of plastic.
But there is some protection. E.G. during thunderstorm, the car is the safest place to be.

In real world, it is hard to make perfect Faraday’s cages anyway. Even quite sophisticated shields do not protect 100%.


15 posted on 04/27/2022 8:51:24 AM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHQkryIIs)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Two separate sheets. One shiny side in, the other out. Connect each sheet to a 9 volt battery for extra protection.


16 posted on 04/27/2022 8:53:29 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Chicory

Turn off the location finder


17 posted on 04/27/2022 8:55:11 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: backwoods-engineer

A Faraday cage.


18 posted on 04/27/2022 8:57:07 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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If you look up ‘Faraday Cage’ you will see that the protection requires a continuous conductive surface that leads to a ground wire for discharging the ‘pulse’. Thus a car fails due to windows and lack of ground. The advice about safety from lightning remains valid as the car’s metal shell (Corvettes need not apply) is acting as a conductor and the strike will do a ‘spark gap’ jump to the ground.

Faraday bags and pouches are a shield for the contents and are limited to protecting more against detection than EMP. They are also limited by practicalities as higher protection (frequency ranges & power) needs bulkier shielding. Also a shield bag sufficient for reduced detection of cell phone will conversely make you unable to use that cell without removing it from said protection.


19 posted on 04/27/2022 9:00:24 AM PDT by SES1066 (More & more it looks like Brandon's best decision was Kamala! UGH!)
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To: Chicory
You can get RF protected wallets to protect your credit card from someone reading it.. You can also get RF credit card selves to protect your card. You can use metal screen to protect things if the holes in the screen are smaller than the wavelength of what ever the problem is. I don't know about EMP though.

The rotation of the earth generates power in the north-south power lines. An emp would generate high voltage in these lines.

20 posted on 04/27/2022 9:00:47 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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